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As a lawyer how difficult was it to defend a "sovereign citizen" accused of a crime?

If I ever did represent one I was not aware. I had a man call me once who wanted to sue the police. It was a strange conversation for me. After a while I got the idea that he was one of "those". I had seen a couple people in court raising objections to the jurisdiction of the court and the fringe on the flag in the courtroom, and I said "if you start talking about fringe on the flag this conversation is over." That sent him off about fringe on flags and the conversation was over.I once saw a person tell a judge the judge had no jurisdiction over him and the judge said he was happy to have him put in jail to demonstrate it. That is what usually happens to Sovereign Citizens, as far as I can tell. They go to jail. If there has ever been an instance where a sovereign citizen won a case, I would love to hear about it.I arbitrated a case in Josephine County, Oregon once where the plaintiff was a collection agency collecting a doctor's bill. The defendant was a retired guy. He brought a friend who argued for him. She had prepared a lot of paperwork with odd titles I had not encountered before. It was a lot of paper. I don't know if they thought I was going to sit and read that stuff. I actually let her talk a long time and asked a lot of questions and pretty much all she said was "it's all in the papers." I did get her to admit she had found all her documents on the Internet. I was there to hear testimony, take exhibits, and rule on whether the debt collector had a claim, not to read motions and memoranda of law, which is essentially what all the paperwork was.My impression is the man hoped that by signing his document declaring himself a sovereign citizen that he had erased all debts and made himself immune from laws and the obligations of any contracts he chose not to recognize. It is bizarre magical thinking. It reminded me of the scene on the tv show "The Office" where someone tells Michael he can get out of debt by declaring bankruptcy and after careful thought he gets everyone's attention and makes an announcement to his employees: "I declare . . . . BANKRUPTCY!"One odd thing in this case for me is that the date of the medical bill preceded the date he declared himself a sovereign citizen, and he was, in essence, declaring he had no obligation to honor contracts. Fairness requires that a person disclose that when agreeing to pay for medical services, I would think. Otherwise it is fraud. And I do not know where they come up with the names for their documents, or why they think the documents they write and sign are valid while documents lawyers draft are not valid, and cases they cite (if there are any real cases they cite) are valid while the cases lawyers cite are not valid. Talking to them is like verbal "Whack-a-Mole."The worst thing about it for me was that I started working my way through the paperwork after the hearing. The first sentence of a long, single spaced string of propositions and authorities made a statement and then quoted a case, which resembled what lawyers call a "memorandum of law". I found the case text on line and word-searched the text of the case for the words in the sentence in the "memo". None of the words were in the case. I repeated the process working my way down the page. The cites did not match her "legal" arguments. I wish I had known that at the hearing. We were in a room with a bound copy of the Oregon cases. I could have handed that person the specific book with the case and said "show me where it says what you say it says." She had obviously simply downloaded something and not checked any of it to see if it was an accurate statement of law. Maybe someone once had done some good legal research, but it had been cut and pasted and the authorities no longer were connected to the legal arguments. (I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.)EDIT: if you want to see an example of this, read Ron Young’s comment below claiming that in Self v. Rhay “the opinion of the court was that the true law is the common law and code, statute, ordinance and act are not law.” Go read the opinion: Self v. Rhay, 61 Wn. 2d 261. It says nothing about “common law.” It does not even contain the word “common.” The petitioner claimed an amendment to a statute violated the state constitution and wanted to be sentence under an earlier version of the statute. The Court said the amended statute was the applicable law.I gave the collection company every dime of the bill and awarded all the costs and fees their attorney requested.The sad thing is that there are gullible people out there who pay people for these documents and end up in jail, or losing their houses to mortgage companies.

Who could mail me the documents to become a sovereign citizen?

Just how “Sovereign” are you if you feel that you have to submit paperwork to a higher power to request”Sovereign Status”? Who do you recognize as having power over you? Are you Free o not? You need to do a little more research into what a “Sovereign Citizen” is. ( I only mean that in a helpful way, because you obviously have a number of misunderstandings about the meaning. )

Citizenship: What is the person who published this legal notice in a newspaper trying to achieve?

The person posting this advertisement appears to be an adherent of the "Sovereign Citizen" movement who is attempting a process of "redemption." In doing so, he probably hopes to avoid tax liability, foreclosure, or other legal process.The Sovereign Citizen movement is defined by adherence to a loosely-defined set of anti-government and anti-tax beliefs. While their doctrine is by no means uniform, many "Sovereign Citizens" believe in various conspiracy theories that justify non-payment of taxes and the inability of courts to exercise jurisdiction over them. Many also attempt to harass others or free themselves from debt by use of the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code), which are model laws concerning contracts and security interests that have been adopted by most states.Below is a brief description of some of their core beliefs, many of which you can see cropping up in the advertisement. Most are based on misreadings of basic law and history. In a sense, it most resembles a cargo cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult) in its near-complete disassociation of cause from effect. Overall, it's pretty crazy, and pretty friggin hilarious stuff. You can also read about the particular process that this person appears to be trying to effect - namely, that of "redemption" - in the last paragraph.It should be noted that Sovereign Citizen arguments are not valid, and that every year people go to jail for having listened to this quackery, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. For more on the funny/sad practical aspects, check here - Someone anonymous's answer to What is the most ridiculous and amusing conspiracy theory ever?. I'd tell you more, but I wouldn't want to ruin this description. This is a truly weird subculture:At its core, the current sovereign belief system is relatively simple and is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. At some point in history, sovereigns believe, the American government set up by the founding fathers — with a legal system the sovereigns refer to as "common law" — was secretly replaced by a new government system based on admiralty law, the law of the sea and international commerce. Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933, when America abandoned the gold standard. Either way, they stake their lives and livelihood on the idea that judges around the country know all about this hidden government takeover but are denying the sovereigns' motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces. Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men. Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way.The next layer of the scheme is even more implausible. Since 1933, the U.S. dollar has been backed not by gold, but by the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government. According to sovereign researchers, this means that the government has pledged its citizenry as collateral, by selling their future earning capabilities to foreign investors, effectively enslaving all Americans. This sale, they claim, takes place at birth.When a baby is born in the U.S., a birth certificate is issued, and the hospital usually requires that the parents apply for a Social Security number at that time. Sovereigns say that the government then uses that certificate to set up a kind of corporate trust in the baby's name — a secret Treasury account — which it funds with an amount ranging from $600,000 to $20 million, depending on the particular variant of the sovereign belief system. By setting up this account, every newborn's rights are cleverly split between those held by the flesh-and-blood baby and the ones assigned to his or her corporate shell account.The clues, many sovereigns believe, are found on the birth certificate itself. Since most certificates use all capital letters to spell out a baby's name, JOHN DOE is the name of the corporate shell "strawman," while John Doe is the baby's "real," flesh-and-blood name. As the child grows older, most of his legal documents will utilize capital letters, which means that his state-issued driver's license, his marriage license, his car registration, his criminal court records, his cable TV bill, and correspondence from the IRS will all pertain to his corporate shell identity, not his real, sovereign identity.The process sovereigns have devised to split the strawman from the flesh-and-blood man is called "redemption," and its purpose is two-fold. Once separated from the corporate shell, the newly freed man is now outside of thejurisdiction of all admiralty laws. More importantly, by filing a series of complex, legal-sounding documents, the sovereign can tap into that secret Treasury account for his own purposes. Over the last 30 years, there have been hundreds of sovereign promoters packaging different combinations of forms and paperwork, attempting to perfect the process. While no one has ever succeeded, of course, they know with the religious certainty of a true cult believer that they're close. All it will take is the right combination of words, say the promoters of the redemption scam.[emphasis added]Southern Poverty Law Center:http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-citizen-kaneThis source is very comprehensive on the movement, its beliefs, and its origins.Feel free to vote for this as the funniest conspiracy theory ever here - Someone anonymous's answer to What is the most ridiculous and amusing conspiracy theory ever?---For more details on Sovereign Citizen background and beliefs, check out these reports:FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310An interesting story about Sovereign Citizen beliefs reaching the largely minority neighborhoods of Baltimore, which is ironic because they were originally associated with White Supremacism! http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0805.carey.htmlWikipedia's bare bones page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

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