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Good idea on a small, voluntary scale.I participated in a socialist meal today. I was in charge of grilling hotdogs for our block party. We asked for money from everyone, I bought the hot dogs in bulk, grilled them, and served them. One hundred and fifty of them altogether. It was fun.It was small, voluntary socialism. The best kind of socialism.The larger (population-wise) or less voluntary the socialism becomes, the more I am against it.

They didn’t.The Australian government passed a law forcing law-abiding citizens to surrender their arms at gunpoint. If you doubt this, consider what would have happened to anyone who didn’t surrender arms. Police would have been sent to arrest the offender. If he didn’t come willingly, they would have forced him to. If he resisted, he may well have been shot.The Australian people didn’t give up their guns nicely, they were stolen at gunpoint by the State.Except for the criminals. They didn’t hand over anything.Okay, I think I just figured out the timezone difference in Australia, since a bunch of “No, you’re wrong, it was voluntary” replies just came in.Let me ask you Aussies this.Adam Aussie owns an FAL. He chooses not to sell it to the State. Then he’s required to register it, which he does like a good boy. The Police, despite Adam having no criminal record, decide he doesn’t “need” an FAL. Does Adam get to keep that FAL anyway?Because y’all keep saying how “voluntary” it was, and I’m honestly wondering how many gun owners “volunteered” their arms, vs how many saw the writing on the wall and at least got some money before their guns were confiscated.There’s two things you have to remember. Firstly, buybacks [1][1][1][1]are a flat lie, unless were talking surplus. To “buy back” you have to own the thing before the current owner, which is almost never the case with these firearms. Secondly, sale, trade, and voluntary all mean that the seller freely chooses to sell the item, and if so choosing not to, keeps it indefinitely. Selling under threat of impending confiscation is NOT voluntary, and no matter how much money the state gives, if the gun owner doesn’t have a choice, it’s not a sale. It’s a thin attempt to legitimize theft.What I think happened is that a bunch of Aussies “volunteered” to surrender other people’s weapons, not anything they owned themselves.So before y’all start again with “it was voluntary”, answer my question about “Adam”, and we’ll know whether it was really voluntary or a sham to cover confiscation.Yet another nail in the coffin of the idea that Australians “handed their guns over nicely”.Thanks to User-12695035842060903834 for sharing this.Original question-Why can't we hand over our guns nicely to our authorities like the Australians did?Footnotes[1] On Buybacks[1] On Buybacks[1] On Buybacks[1] On Buybacks

I actually like the idea of bottom-up, voluntary communism. Like, if my neighbors and I organized ourselves so we shared things, like in a commune-fashion, I think that would work great.Particularly when it comes to owning certain rarely-used things, like lawn mowers and snow blowers. There’s no need for all 50 people on this block to have their own little lawn mower. We could all pitch in a little and get a professional-grade mower, and take turns using it or even just mow each other’s yards. We’d just need someone to volunteer their garage to be the “community garage.”It’d work well for things like childcare and food purchases too. If there were one or two houses that doubled as daycares, and then one or two people in charge of buying food staples in bulk, we could all save some money.Of course, this would only work if I knew my neighbors a lot better and someone had the time to organize it all. I’d be up for this kind of local, voluntary communism though.Once people from outside the community got involved, or it was no longer voluntary, I’d be opposed to it.