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How will a Second American Civil War come about?First off, there most probably will NOT be a second American Civil War - at least a shooting one.However, in the massively unlikely event that there is one, it will not be due to a separation of one block of states from the rest. It would be a liberal- urban versus conservative-rural.So, let's start at the borders:CANADA - not being stupid, Canadians would send major portions of their Army to the southern border to keep combatants from the US out of Canada. They would set up internment camps to handle refugees, and segregate those camps into 3 sections:(1) Those who are just fleeing the violence, with no real political ideology(2) The liberal-snowflakes who are fleeing because they are terrified that they will be put into conservative death camps by the nazi-fascist-racist-homophobic-misogynistic right and need a safe space to chill out in.(3) Conservatives who are fleeing because they live in an über-liberal area and are just too old to fight (the 75 year old retired vet and her husband from Seattle for example)Canada will not be terribly hospitable towards the rich fleeing from Hollywood as they will not have access to most of their wealth - just what they have in off-shore accounts as pretty much all American banks will be closed.MEXICO - the so-called refugee caravans will immediately disappear. Their funds will dry up and no one will be funding the movement. The only movement will be either Mexicans (not the multitude of other Hispanics, mostly from Central America - because Mexico will enforce their somewhat draconian border laws against anyone coming south) returning to their country to avoid the violence (smart move) or drug cartels trying to take advantage - and that won't go well for two reasons, (A) their primary market is the cities - where most of the violence is, and (B) the US Army and National Guard, who will use deadly force with tanks and helos to stop them.Now the US Military:COAST GUARD - they will do what they have always done. Save lives and guard the sea border. Protect their bases, and offer refuge to CG families near the bases.AIR FORCE - they will protect the USAF bases and keep their corner of the nuclear triad secure (missiles and bombers). They will also keep other nations from overflying the US for their own nefarious purposes (would probably allow Canadian over flights along the north, but shoot down anything on the south border). Like the CG, the AF would offer refuge to USAF families near the bases.MARINES - would protect USMC, USN, and USGC bases as applicable, provide limited combat forces along the southern border, refuge to USMC/USN families in their vicinity, and Naval Air where directed.NAVY - would close the seas to all shipping from all nations within 200 miles of the coast. And, like the other service, provide refuge to their families.ARMY - Move large numbers of troops to coasts and southern border in preparation to repel possible invasion. Protect Army bases, provide refuge to Army families, and protect farms and power plants.The military probably would not be used in actions against either faction for three primary reasons:(1) Moving against the ruralists would destroy the food supply for generations resulting in starvation across the country.(2) Moving against the urbanites would cause massive destruction to the cities and infrastructure.(3) Neither side is trying to overthrow the government, it's a matter of massive civil unrest and societal collapse - and the question of "Which side is right" would be important. (Although, I personally think that the military would be more sympathetic to the rural-agricultural side).Now, to the cause. I see, IF it happens, the trigger being a downtown display of protest/violence from one of the so-called "liberal" groups - AntiFa, BLM, or some new activist group. Either protesting some imagined insult or protesting the free speech of another group that they have determined to be "fascist" or "hateful". Group A attacks Group B. Someone in B is beaten down and killed. Someone else in B shoots the killer. Stores are burned, shops destroyed, cops (Seattle, Portland) have already been given a stand-down order by the Mayor so the devastation spreads. Rioters come across an American Legion or VFW post and decide to attack it as a symbol of fascist oppression and the 70-80 year old vets drinking beer there respond the same way they did in Ia Drang and Hue (or Baghdad and Kuwait if from the younger crowd).Truckers decline to bring their loads into the rioting area, and food supplies disappear (most grocery stores have 3 days food on hand, no more) and most food warehouses are outside the city. Riots are now starving urbanites after empty Safeway stores and gangbangers after gun and jewelry stores. After two weeks, people are trying to flee the city, and the rural folk aren't having any of them. And those pesky ruralists not only have more guns than the city folk (mostly gangbangers) but know how to use them.Couple more weeks and serious starvation and disease are in the cities, power has been cut off (where are the dams and power plants?) .What's the NATIONAL GUARD doing? Depends on the state. In liberal-leftist Oregon and Washington the governors will order the guard to go out and take guns and food away from the country folk. Not gonna go well for either side, but my money is with most of the Guard joining the ruralists. In Texas and other conservative states, the governor will order the Guard to quarantine the cities and help legitimate refugees evacuate.Within 6 months the city population will be at 15-20% and the rural population at 75-80%. That's a loss of about 175+ million of our 325 million people.At this point, it's a matter of cleanup - massive and crushing cleanup. Cities like Seattle and Portland will have a few thousand people in them, all looking like the residents of Berlin and Dresden at the end of WW-2.Martial Law. Draconian laws. Summary execution of looters, rapists, gang lords, and drug dealers. Forced (drafted) work crews. Closure of most universities and colleges. Possible redesign of citizenship laws. Huge restrictions on most freedoms (some reasonable, some not). Government control of press, radio, and TV. Government scrutiny of religions, and possible criminalization of some of them. Elections? Maybe in 10 years. Posse Comitatus? Set aside. Military occupation of the cities much like in the South after the Civil War.Politicians? I suspect trial and imprisonment/execution of a number of them on both sides of the aisle. And confiscation of their property (such as wasn't destroyed).So, 15 years after the "war" I see mostly normality, with much smaller cities, and many more towns. Factory towns where one or two industries support a town of 10-30,000 people. More family farms, with less Department of Agriculture diktats about what a farmer can grow and how much. More people getting directly involved in their local schools (Department of Education shut down), more people getting directly involved in local politics, and term limits on pretty much every office. Welfare Departments (under all their names) closed out and there is no such thing as Public Assistance. Taxes reduced to a nominal level, with churches and civic groups taking over the "welfare" system so people see where their money is going and no one gets away with the claim they are entitled to the fruits of another's work. With welfare being local, the crippled, disabled, and elderly will be taken care of directly by local people groups, not some faceless bureaucrat 3,000 miles away.But getting there will be UGLY. Uglier than you want to see. And the modern liberal-leftist-snowflake will be either extinct or a protected species in a zoo somewhere in Berkeley.

How will a Second American Civil War come about?First off, there most probably will NOT be a second American Civil War - at least a shooting one.However, in the massively unlikely event that there is one, it will not be due to a separation of one block of states from the rest. It would be a liberal- urban versus conservative-rural.So, let's start at the borders:CANADA - not being stupid, Canadians would send major portions of their Army to the southern border to keep combatants from the US out of Canada. They would set up internment camps to handle refugees, and segregate those camps into 3 sections:(1) Those who are just fleeing the violence, with no real political ideology(2) The liberal-snowflakes who are fleeing because they are terrified that they will be put into conservative death camps by the nazi-fascist-racist-homophobic-misogynistic right and need a safe space to chill out in.(3) Conservatives who are fleeing because they live in an über-liberal area and are just too old to fight (the 75 year old retired vet and her husband from Seattle for example)Canada will not be terribly hospitable towards the rich fleeing from Hollywood as they will not have access to most of their wealth - just what they have in off-shore accounts as pretty much all American banks will be closed.MEXICO - the so-called refugee caravans will immediately disappear. Their funds will dry up and no one will be funding the movement. The only movement will be either Mexicans (not the multitude of other Hispanics, mostly from Central America - because Mexico will enforce their somewhat draconian border laws against anyone coming south) returning to their country to avoid the violence (smart move) or drug cartels trying to take advantage - and that won't go well for two reasons, (A) their primary market is the cities - where most of the violence is, and (B) the US Army and National Guard, who will use deadly force with tanks and helos to stop them.Now the US Military:COAST GUARD - they will do what they have always done. Save lives and guard the sea border. Protect their bases, and offer refuge to CG families near the bases.AIR FORCE - they will protect the USAF bases and keep their corner of the nuclear triad secure (missiles and bombers). They will also keep other nations from overflying the US for their own nefarious purposes (would probably allow Canadian over flights along the north, but shoot down anything on the south border). Like the CG, the AF would offer refuge to USAF families near the bases.MARINES - would protect USMC, USN, and USGC bases as applicable, provide limited combat forces along the southern border, refuge to USMC/USN families in their vicinity, and Naval Air where directed.NAVY - would close the seas to all shipping from all nations within 200 miles of the coast. And, like the other service, provide refuge to their families.ARMY - Move large numbers of troops to coasts and southern border in preparation to repel possible invasion. Protect Army bases, provide refuge to Army families, and protect farms and power plants.The military probably would not be used in actions against either faction for three primary reasons:(1) Moving against the ruralists would destroy the food supply for generations resulting in starvation across the country.(2) Moving against the urbanites would cause massive destruction to the cities and infrastructure.(3) Neither side is trying to overthrow the government, it's a matter of massive civil unrest and societal collapse - and the question of "Which side is right" would be important. (Although, I personally think that the military would be more sympathetic to the rural-agricultural side).Now, to the cause. I see, IF it happens, the trigger being a downtown display of protest/violence from one of the so-called "liberal" groups - AntiFa, BLM, or some new activist group. Either protesting some imagined insult or protesting the free speech of another group that they have determined to be "fascist" or "hateful". Group A attacks Group B. Someone in B is beaten down and killed. Someone else in B shoots the killer. Stores are burned, shops destroyed, cops (Seattle, Portland) have already been given a stand-down order by the Mayor so the devastation spreads. Rioters come across an American Legion or VFW post and decide to attack it as a symbol of fascist oppression and the 70-80 year old vets drinking beer there respond the same way they did in Ia Drang and Hue (or Baghdad and Kuwait if from the younger crowd).Truckers decline to bring their loads into the rioting area, and food supplies disappear (most grocery stores have 3 days food on hand, no more) and most food warehouses are outside the city. Riots are now starving urbanites after empty Safeway stores and gangbangers after gun and jewelry stores. After two weeks, people are trying to flee the city, and the rural folk aren't having any of them. And those pesky ruralists not only have more guns than the city folk (mostly gangbangers) but know how to use them.Couple more weeks and serious starvation and disease are in the cities, power has been cut off (where are the dams and power plants?) .What's the NATIONAL GUARD doing? Depends on the state. In liberal-leftist Oregon and Washington the governors will order the guard to go out and take guns and food away from the country folk. Not gonna go well for either side, but my money is with most of the Guard joining the ruralists. In Texas and other conservative states, the governor will order the Guard to quarantine the cities and help legitimate refugees evacuate.Within 6 months the city population will be at 15-20% and the rural population at 75-80%. That's a loss of about 175+ million of our 325 million people.At this point, it's a matter of cleanup - massive and crushing cleanup. Cities like Seattle and Portland will have a few thousand people in them, all looking like the residents of Berlin and Dresden at the end of WW-2.Martial Law. Draconian laws. Summary execution of looters, rapists, gang lords, and drug dealers. Forced (drafted) work crews. Closure of most universities and colleges. Possible redesign of citizenship laws. Huge restrictions on most freedoms (some reasonable, some not). Government control of press, radio, and TV. Government scrutiny of religions, and possible criminalization of some of them. Elections? Maybe in 10 years. Posse Comitatus? Set aside. Military occupation of the cities much like in the South after the Civil War.Politicians? I suspect trial and imprisonment/execution of a number of them on both sides of the aisle. And confiscation of their property (such as wasn't destroyed).So, 15 years after the "war" I see mostly normality, with much smaller cities, and many more towns. Factory towns where one or two industries support a town of 10-30,000 people. More family farms, with less Department of Agriculture diktats about what a farmer can grow and how much. More people getting directly involved in their local schools (Department of Education shut down), more people getting directly involved in local politics, and term limits on pretty much every office. Welfare Departments (under all their names) closed out and there is no such thing as Public Assistance. Taxes reduced to a nominal level, with churches and civic groups taking over the "welfare" system so people see where their money is going and no one gets away with the claim they are entitled to the fruits of another's work. With welfare being local, the crippled, disabled, and elderly will be taken care of directly by local people groups, not some faceless bureaucrat 3,000 miles away.But getting there will be UGLY. Uglier than you want to see. And the modern liberal-leftist-snowflake will be either extinct or a protected species in a zoo somewhere in Berkeley.

How will a Second American Civil War come about?First off, there most probably will NOT be a second American Civil War - at least a shooting one.However, in the massively unlikely event that there is one, it will not be due to a separation of one block of states from the rest. It would be a liberal- urban versus conservative-rural.So, let's start at the borders:CANADA - not being stupid, Canadians would send major portions of their Army to the southern border to keep combatants from the US out of Canada. They would set up internment camps to handle refugees, and segregate those camps into 3 sections:(1) Those who are just fleeing the violence, with no real political ideology(2) The liberal-snowflakes who are fleeing because they are terrified that they will be put into conservative death camps by the nazi-fascist-racist-homophobic-misogynistic right and need a safe space to chill out in.(3) Conservatives who are fleeing because they live in an über-liberal area and are just too old to fight (the 75 year old retired vet and her husband from Seattle for example)Canada will not be terribly hospitable towards the rich fleeing from Hollywood as they will not have access to most of their wealth - just what they have in off-shore accounts as pretty much all American banks will be closed.MEXICO - the so-called refugee caravans will immediately disappear. Their funds will dry up and no one will be funding the movement. The only movement will be either Mexicans (not the multitude of other Hispanics, mostly from Central America - because Mexico will enforce their somewhat draconian border laws against anyone coming south) returning to their country to avoid the violence (smart move) or drug cartels trying to take advantage - and that won't go well for two reasons, (A) their primary market is the cities - where most of the violence is, and (B) the US Army and National Guard, who will use deadly force with tanks and helos to stop them.Now the US Military:COAST GUARD - they will do what they have always done. Save lives and guard the sea border. Protect their bases, and offer refuge to CG families near the bases.AIR FORCE - they will protect the USAF bases and keep their corner of the nuclear triad secure (missiles and bombers). They will also keep other nations from overflying the US for their own nefarious purposes (would probably allow Canadian over flights along the north, but shoot down anything on the south border). Like the CG, the AF would offer refuge to USAF families near the bases.MARINES - would protect USMC, USN, and USGC bases as applicable, provide limited combat forces along the southern border, refuge to USMC/USN families in their vicinity, and Naval Air where directed.NAVY - would close the seas to all shipping from all nations within 200 miles of the coast. And, like the other service, provide refuge to their families.ARMY - Move large numbers of troops to coasts and southern border in preparation to repel possible invasion. Protect Army bases, provide refuge to Army families, and protect farms and power plants.The military probably would not be used in actions against either faction for three primary reasons:(1) Moving against the ruralists would destroy the food supply for generations resulting in starvation across the country.(2) Moving against the urbanites would cause massive destruction to the cities and infrastructure.(3) Neither side is trying to overthrow the government, it's a matter of massive civil unrest and societal collapse - and the question of "Which side is right" would be important. (Although, I personally think that the military would be more sympathetic to the rural-agricultural side).Now, to the cause. I see, IF it happens, the trigger being a downtown display of protest/violence from one of the so-called "liberal" groups - AntiFa, BLM, or some new activist group. Either protesting some imagined insult or protesting the free speech of another group that they have determined to be "fascist" or "hateful". Group A attacks Group B. Someone in B is beaten down and killed. Someone else in B shoots the killer. Stores are burned, shops destroyed, cops (Seattle, Portland) have already been given a stand-down order by the Mayor so the devastation spreads. Rioters come across an American Legion or VFW post and decide to attack it as a symbol of fascist oppression and the 70-80 year old vets drinking beer there respond the same way they did in Ia Drang and Hue (or Baghdad and Kuwait if from the younger crowd).Truckers decline to bring their loads into the rioting area, and food supplies disappear (most grocery stores have 3 days food on hand, no more) and most food warehouses are outside the city. Riots are now starving urbanites after empty Safeway stores and gangbangers after gun and jewelry stores. After two weeks, people are trying to flee the city, and the rural folk aren't having any of them. And those pesky ruralists not only have more guns than the city folk (mostly gangbangers) but know how to use them.Couple more weeks and serious starvation and disease are in the cities, power has been cut off (where are the dams and power plants?) .What's the NATIONAL GUARD doing? Depends on the state. In liberal-leftist Oregon and Washington the governors will order the guard to go out and take guns and food away from the country folk. Not gonna go well for either side, but my money is with most of the Guard joining the ruralists. In Texas and other conservative states, the governor will order the Guard to quarantine the cities and help legitimate refugees evacuate.Within 6 months the city population will be at 15-20% and the rural population at 75-80%. That's a loss of about 175+ million of our 325 million people.At this point, it's a matter of cleanup - massive and crushing cleanup. Cities like Seattle and Portland will have a few thousand people in them, all looking like the residents of Berlin and Dresden at the end of WW-2.Martial Law. Draconian laws. Summary execution of looters, rapists, gang lords, and drug dealers. Forced (drafted) work crews. Closure of most universities and colleges. Possible redesign of citizenship laws. Huge restrictions on most freedoms (some reasonable, some not). Government control of press, radio, and TV. Government scrutiny of religions, and possible criminalization of some of them. Elections? Maybe in 10 years. Posse Comitatus? Set aside. Military occupation of the cities much like in the South after the Civil War.Politicians? I suspect trial and imprisonment/execution of a number of them on both sides of the aisle. And confiscation of their property (such as wasn't destroyed).So, 15 years after the "war" I see mostly normality, with much smaller cities, and many more towns. Factory towns where one or two industries support a town of 10-30,000 people. More family farms, with less Department of Agriculture diktats about what a farmer can grow and how much. More people getting directly involved in their local schools (Department of Education shut down), more people getting directly involved in local politics, and term limits on pretty much every office. Welfare Departments (under all their names) closed out and there is no such thing as Public Assistance. Taxes reduced to a nominal level, with churches and civic groups taking over the "welfare" system so people see where their money is going and no one gets away with the claim they are entitled to the fruits of another's work. With welfare being local, the crippled, disabled, and elderly will be taken care of directly by local people groups, not some faceless bureaucrat 3,000 miles away.But getting there will be UGLY. Uglier than you want to see. And the modern liberal-leftist-snowflake will be either extinct or a protected species in a zoo somewhere in Berkeley.