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Are you sure that the NRA is the problem?Oh, I know that the media and the talking heads are all making them out to be some 500 lb gorilla and the reason psychos shoot up school yards, but have you ever bothered to look into the matter beyond the headlines?I’ll give you an example. In 2017, the push was for a “Universal Background Check”. The idea was to be sure that people buying guns were not criminals. Believe it or not, the NRA wholly supports this and in fact was involved with creating the current NICS (National Instant Check System) that is used.But the bill that was proposed was not what you heard in the media. First, it would not plug any “Gunshow Loophole” because there is no such thing. The only sales at a gun show that the bill covered was private sales. Of course, private sales can occur anywhere, not just gun shows.But the bill didn’t make the NICS easier for private sales. They just required all private sales to be conducted through a licensed dealer. Had this actually passed, a gun show would be an ideal location for such sales as there would be access to many dealer. In effect, you would greatly increase the number of private sales at a gun show by this law.So, what is involved with a sale through a dealer? Well, the dealer would have to do the following:1) Record the transfer in their bound book. This is a book where all the transactions of a firearm is recorded via that dealer. The book is auditable by the BATF and many dealers have faced fines for poorly kept records, so many dealers go to great pains to keep their book neat and accurate.2) Fill out the federal form 4473. This is required by all dealer sales of both new and used guns. It asks for the buyer’s name, address, the make and model of the gun, serial number, and then asks a bunch of questions. The dealer can get fined if the person fills out the form wrong. For example, answering a question with “Y” or “N” instead of “Yes” or “No” is a BATF violation. So the dealer has to carefully examine the form for errors and have the person fill out another if errors are found.3) The dealer then calls into the NICS. NICS can come back with a “Proceed”, “Denied” or “Delay”. A delay can take up to 3 days. Typically this is a name that appears similar to a Prohibited Person and requires some research. If this happens, the transfer is on hold. The dealer has no idea when the result of the research is likely to finish. If you are at a gun show, the show could be over before the approval is made.4) All this paperwork, verification, etc takes time. Time is money. So dealers charge for this service. It is typical for a dealer to charge $25-$40 per gun, but sometimes multiple guns get a discount because the dealer can process up to 4 on a single form, but when more than one gun is transferred, the dealer has to fill out Form 3310 which is supposed to help with gun trafficking.All of this is well and good if you are buying a gun from someone you don’t know and many people will require sales be conducted at a dealer for the piece of mind such protections provide. But friends and family typically do not bother with the hassle and expense.One thing you need to realize is that to get a gun dealer license is not an easy process. Since the federal government cracked down on so called “kitchen table” dealers back in the 1980’s, you now must show a commercially zoned storefront with posted business hours to qualify. Many communities don’t want gun shops, and use zoning laws to make them difficult or unattractive. For example the city of Boston does not have any dealers. In fact, the nearest dealer is 3 towns away. Many rural areas don’t have the traffic to keep a dealer in business and you’ll find they are typically only open in the evening or on a Saturday as they work another full time job. Keep this in mind as we get into the next issue.But the bill didn’t stop at sales. It stated that ALL transfers had to be done in this manner. No exceptions. So, two friends out on a hunt would need to go through the whole process listed above just to swap guns for the afternoon. Oh, and they would have to do it all again to give the gun back. It is very common on a range to try out other people’s guns - such a thing would also require the full transfer and back process. Demo guns at a national event by manufacturers? Same thing.Basically any time a gun were to swap hands, the law would apply. There are private shooting clubs where guns are treated like library books and members take whatever they want. Families regularly swap guns. Heck, some shooting courses provide guns for students to use. All of these events would have been impacted by these new transfer requirements.The NRA balked at this. Essentially the rule would curtail many of the traditions and practices that are very common and virtually never result in any kind of criminal activity. In essence it would criminalize things that simply are not crimes.Not only would it create criminals where no criminal intent existed, but the cost to manage the volume of temporary transfers, the staffing needed to take the calls and do the checks would have cost millions each year. All money that would not go toward actually dealing with criminals.When the issue was brought up, many members of Congress agreed the requirements were too restrictive and the whole bill failed to pass. The supporters of the bill did not even attempt to listen to the complaints and work out a manageable fix.Did you hear any of that in the media?But what about catching criminals?Well, the bill didn’t change anything in regards to enforcing the rules to make sure the people who should not own guns were properly entered into NICS. In fact, other than maybe getting fired, there is NO PENALTY for failing to report a person. We have laws that will jail a teacher or coach that fail to report bullies. We have laws that put priests in prison who fail to report potential inappropriate behaviors in other clergy. But we do not have any laws that punish law enforcement agents that fail to do their job and make sure that dangerous people are reported to the background system. And this bill made no effort to change that.NICS is not open to anyone but federally licensed gun dealers. The left are so worried that the system might be used to check people for things other than guns that they refuse to create a means to allow people to verify someone they are selling a gun to. It would be easy to create an app that takes a photo of the buyer and seller’s ID (or just their faces and type in some data) and then return a simple “Proceed” or “Deny” with no other details. You’d have plenty of information to audit for illegal use. And if someone didn’t have an ID, they could then use a dealer. Heck, you can’t file taxes on-line without submitting some kind of ID, so this isn’t anything unique.And yet, the bill did nothing to address the issue of accessing the NICS for easier private sales.Here is the thing. We have 20,000 gun laws in this country. On the federal side, a prohibited person touching a gun could see them in prison for a minimum of 5 years. And yet, we still see cities with high violent crime rates that have virtually no federal cases. Why isn’t law enforcement using those stiff federal laws to get the violent people off the streets? Such a program called “Project Exile” worked wonders in Richmond, VA to reduce violent crime dramatically.OK, back to the “Universal Background Check” bill.I spent a lot of words above explaining what the bill would have required of people and why the situation would have been a nightmare. You never saw any of this in the news and the media pretty much ignored the issue.When the bill was defeated, it was never reported that a “terrible bill that would have cost millions and made criminals out of the innocent was defeated”, instead, all you ever heard was“The NRA used its influence to defeat the Universal Background Check bill that would have closed the gunshow loophole”Almost everything about that statement is false.So, be careful what you want to “Fight Against”. I suspect that most of what you think about the NRA is highly biased due to the way the organization is treated in the media. When you look at the actual facts, many times their concerns are quite valid. And, they have a lot of rank and file law enforcement on their side which helps them represent real world situations. I’ve found their positions in many cases very well presented. Most of the arguments you get on TV news are highly edited and taken out of context to promote an agenda, not facilitate a debate.Make sure you know what you are fighting for. You might be surprised.

Several things would help your (the left side of the American political aisle) case.First - it would be very nice if you could ask the question without the politically charged epithet “Right-wingers”. Unless you would like the answer to contain “liberal nazi goons”, which also sets a negative tone and doesn’t further a useful discussion - avoid this sort of language.Let me give you some positive ideas to consider;Genuine CompromiseSince National Firearms Act of 1934, the anti-gun side has considered “compromise” to be “Give us some of what we want now, free, and we’ll come take the rest later”.Here’s a radical idea - How about you offer something WE have wanted for a long time? I can think of two things - National Concealed Carry Reciprocity, and the removal of the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986.No tricks, no adding rider amendments to pull those out at the last minute, at 2am before a Senate vote… an actual, genuine offer.Now, to be honest, those of us who have been following the debate for 40-ish years wouldn’t buy it. We’ve seen it before. Any gun control bill of any kind with any sort of actual compromise in it gets re-written at the last minute before the vote to remove any provisions that might interest the pro-gun side in voting for it - hoping that it would get enough votes to pass anyway.You wonder why the pro-gun side is so steadfast against any form of legislation? Well, that’s because we’ve never ONCE seen a bill that ONLY does what the proponents say it does. Ban “armor piercing ammo”? Sounds reasonable… except it was written to ban virtually any ammunition of any design - on purpose. Even the generally positive “Firearms Owners Protection Act” of ’86 got that little “gotcha” slipped in to take the rate of crime from lawfully possessed fully automatic weapons from ZERO point ZERO percent, to.. what exactly was the point of that? Since 1934, NOT ONE SINGLE CRIME had ever been commited with a lawfully tax-stamped full auto weapon. Not one. And yet, the Hughes Amendment closed the registrations for them for law abiding citizens.You’ve screwed us enough times we’re not buying into it any more. Our shields are up, and we’re not believing you any more when you offer “compromise”.You want us to consider a few things? Show us you’re not just trying to tighten the noose on all firearms ownership. Compromise - for real this time.Prove it will work here, now, in the 21st Century America.You can point to different cultures, like Japan, or Europe, or the UK, or Australia - guess what: we’re not any of those places.Show us how disarming law-abiding citizens will make a statistically significant difference in the overall violence in this country. Don’t cherry pick the data - show us how the number of people killed with hammers (which is more than those killed with rifles) is going to change with a particular law and you might just be shocked when we voice support for it.You see, MY AR-15 has harmed no one. Nor will it ever. You need to make a pretty strong case that me giving up MY rifle is going to affect anything.You also need to show me how my more accurate, longer range, bolt action rifle is not “next up” on your agenda. That again is going to be a long hard road for you to regain that trust - we’ve seen it before. One thing gets banned, then within DAYS, you’re looking for something else.Don’t give us that bullshit about how “we banned gun violence research”. We did no such thing. We stopped the CDC from actively seeking gun control legislation. If you don’t recognize the difference between doing research which is, and has always been, perfectly legal for the CDC to do, and pushing a political agenda from a bully pulpit with tax dollars - then we really don’t have any common ground for discussion.Accept that the Second Amendment is a RIGHT, and an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT that shall not be infringed.We get it. You want to ban all guns. You’ve been saying it for more than 50 years. “We’ll ban this now, and ban everything else later!”. Yeah, that’s why we oppose unequivocally each and every one of your “little steps” towards that.If you really want responsible gun ownership, and gun safety, then you’re going to have to accept that the second amendment exists, and that it means what the Founding Fathers said it means in their other writings. It’s an individual right. And it shall not be infringed.You want to talk about improving mental health reporting? Felony reporting? Keeping criminals from purchasing firearms? Improved background checks?It’s real simple - Accept that these are not just a “step towards banning guns”.Don’t talk out of one side of your face saying “Oh, yeah, I’m a hunter, and I think people should be able to own hunting guns”, while supporting banning handguns, etc.Accept that a free country, with free citizens, is based upon The People having arms for their own defense, defense against a tyrannical government (heaven forbid it should ever come to that - believe it or not, gun rights supporters do NOT want to overthrow the government, we just want to be certain that the government is never overthrown from within and can act with impunity against the People…), AND hunting, target shooting, etc.If the political left were unequivocal and vocal about that, and backed it up by stopping support for any legislation that infringed upon that - you would be flabergasted by how fast we could work together on legislation that improved how we conduct background checks, track felons, and keep firearms out of the hands of those adjudicated mentally incompetant.Until then - we know damn well you’re going to load any such bills with little “Gotcha’s” that classify wanting to own a firearm as a “mental disorder”. Don’t say you won’t, we’ve seen it happen in the early 90’s - it’s in the Congressional Record. “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”.Finally;Let’s have a talk about whether you want to reduce crime or just “ban guns”.You want to reduce crime? Hell, so do we! I’ll bet that with all of 20 minutes of discussion, we could come up with 20 ways to reduce crime, and violence, that have nothing to do with banning guns.You want to reduce crime? Let’s talk about education, prison reform, and maybe have a long talk about how we treat ex-cons in this country (often leaving them damn little choice but to return to crime, because virtually no jobs or job training is open to them).If you just want to “ban guns”, the conversation is going nowhere - and you know that.Understand and accept what the National Rifle Association is, and isn’t.The NRA is an association of it’s millions of members. It is not a trade association, and it’s not a “think tank lobbying organization”. And it’s not a “Firearms Industry Lobby” (that’s the NSSF).The NRA is between five and seven million gun owners that, of their own choosing, pay their membership dues to support the NRA and it’s subsidiary organization, the NRA-ILA.When you say “stop the NRA” - you’re not talking about a faceless corporate lobbying group - you’re talking directly to me, a life member, and when you call the NRA murderers? You’re calling me a murderer.You cannot insult me into agreeing with you. In fact, I have a very long memory. I was called, to my face, a murderer for being a gun owner back in the early 90’s. That was when I put down the first payment on my Life Membership.Recognize that I am not a criminal. I am not mentally incompetent. I do not have a “gun fetish”. I am a citizen that has committed no crime, threatened no person, and enjoys collecting and shooting firearms for competition, sport, and keeps a couple for self defense in full accordance with the law. Attacking me, personally, or by association, will not serve your goals - it will turn me into an active voter and campaigner against you.I will not forget, and I will not forgive, past transgressions, insults, and lies directed against me and my fellow gun owners. If you want my cooperation, you need to begin by making amends - then, maybe, we can work together to solve the problems you say you want to solve.You work on those five points. Then we can have an honest, genuine, conversation about how to reduce crime and violence in 21st century America.

Was emailed and asked to answer. Let me ask you something. Which of these is an assault rifle?(Edit-changed mini-14 picture to video as well as ar-15 picture to video in response to a comment on the answers thumbnail when shared)Or this:Your going say the black one i bet. Neither of them is the correct answer. Neither of them are machine guns. Neither of them are more powerful then the other. In fact they use the same caliber. .223 or 5.56. To put this caliber in perspective.From left to right. You got my bifold wallet. A 50 caliber powerbelt projectile for my muzzleloader. A 12 gauge shotgun slug for hunting deer. You then have the .223 Remington which is the same as 5.56. Then you got my cheapo cigar lighter.The point is both of those rifle fire that .223. They are equally deadly rifles. The gun control crowd wants to ban one but not the other and its based only on looks and misconceptions.This is very important because the sheer stupidity of the left is driving people to groups like the NRA.Dont believe me? What about the idiots on the left who think incendiary tips are heat seekers or that ar-15s are a matter of national security because they can shoot down airplanes and blow up railroad tracks?I point this out because the same misconceptions are in your question. The NRA advocates for firearm safety. There is a branch of the NRA that lobbies and fights gun laws. That is not the NRA focus. In fact when I began to hunt legally. My hunters education class and the very nice Narragansett indian who taught my hunters education class was almost entirely funded by the NRA. The NRA also funded a program called the young trackers program. It was a group of Narragansett Indians teaching how to track an animal after you shot it safely. How to safely butcher your game animal. They taught how to navigate in the dark woods without getting hurt like a sharp stick shoved through your boys while your walking in the dark woods. They taught how to safely drag your animal out of the woods without getting shot. You know safety things. My state only funded 10% of those programs. The NRA covered 90%. In fact I got a old old old book published by the NRA on safe shooting from the 1940s! The book is geared towards kids and was ment to be a teaching aid for parents. You got the modern Eddie eagle program designed to help parents teach their kids what they are supposed to do if they find a gun in order to prevent accidental shootings…march for our lives, moms demand action and pretty much EVERYONE not the NRA does not do any of these programs.Now you understand why the NRA is the juggernaunt boogey man the left is painting in a demonizing scapegoat light because they have been stopped by a group who uses logic based in reality. The NRA is made up of law abiding logical rational gun owners. We have stopped them they cant do what they want so they are trying to fight a pr battle rather then a logical rational debate.The right to bare arms is not unregulated. It is very heavily regulated. In fact There is a good number of us like myself who believe the 2nd amendment as well as the 6th article section 2 of the constitution have been violated many times. I would love to see a lot of the state laws struck down because they stand in violation of federal laws passed by congress which is covered by article 6 section 2 of the constitution.That reads as such:This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.So basically the right shall not be infringed which i believe is crystal clear…but congress has enacted laws like the NFA and the 1986 FOPA. I believe the contradiction between the NFA regulating machine guns and the 86 FOPA banning machine guns made after 86 are contradictory and thus defering to the constitution the 86 is unconstitutional and falls under article 6 section 2 as well as state gun bans.Again guns are very heavily regulated. If i made a gun to sell I would need a special manufacturing license. Ammunition there is a license for manufacturing ammo. I get around this because I am not selling ammo to people. To buy a gun every law abiding gun owner fills out form 4473 which is a background check. The gun show loop hole….good luck there's licensed gun shops at gun shows who dont sell a single gun that make tens of thousands of dollars processing background checks for private citizens selling guns. They range from 20 to 50 dollars a background check. If you want a machine gun you have to wait 6 months for the background check never mind having finger prints or passport photos or having the chief of police be notified and you have to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp! Its easier to buy a house, a car, and a mail order bride then to buy a machine gun.There is a ton of red tape on firearms….infact this will blow your mind. The national tracing center which tracks guns for police used in crimes processes 2 million pages a month for their records.There are tons of gun laws on the books. They say 9,000 to 20,000 gun laws these are a hyperbole. A way of saying there's a lot of them. I believe the brookings institute tried to count federal and state laws and put the number at 300….but they did not include local laws as 40 of the states in the country prohibit local laws so that number may be higher. The united states has 50 states (not including dc and Puerto Rico). Now you understand just the tip of the iceberg of regulations.Now am I concerned with mass shootings yes. It is a disturbing recent trend in this country. I blame the media and their portrayal of the mass shooter. What do i mean by that? I mean that I sadly without having to Google the names of victims dont know a single victim of mass shootings. I believe many Americans reading this cannot name a single victim unless the victim was a friend or family member of the individual reading this. To those in that position I am deeply sorry for your loss and saddened by the fact their life was cut short. I do not wish to cause you any further pain.The fact is sad though that Harris, klebold, Cruz, lanza, cho, and holms to name a few are famous. You know who I'm talking about and what they did just like you know the names, bieber, Timberlake, gaga, Beyonce, ludacris, and prince. The former are famous for a very sick reason. The media made them into pop icons for sickos.Here's a name you dont know. John ladue.He had a 180 page note book. Planned to put pressure cooker bombs in stolen trash containers from the school and put them in the hall ways. He was a fan of every mass shoot except lanza because lanza killed little kids. His ultimate goal to be killed by swat. He even stated to police he wanted to out do columbine. He wanted to be that guy everyone “looked upto” and say huh i never knew he was capable of that. The media made all the previous mass shooters famous and it inspired him. Rather then putting the shooter on a pedalstal we need a law preventing the media from making it into weeks famous news about a sicko. I honestly would love it if the news didn't ever even mention the shooters name. Id love to hear the story of those lost so that we can mourn the tragic loss and celebrate the life of a child who lost their life. I would like to mourn with the family.There was a tragic fire here in Rhode Island. The station night club fire. At the time believe it or not I was working as a golf caddy. 100 people lost their lives and 230 others were injured. Andrew Hoban my boss was one of them who died in the fire. He was a great guy. Pro amature golfer for the golf course I was working at. He loved music. He was a fan of the band Great White. He was also there to negotiate a contract on a refinancing deal. When golf season was over he was a worked at a mortgage company. He wanted to be a pro golfer. He had a great arm. He was great at baseball. He was an amazing guy whos rememembered most for his smile and warmth.With mass shootings there's nothing like the tributes or the memories or dreams. Its just everything about the shooter. That needs to change. I realize a tragic fire is not the same as a mass shooting but it just shows how much differently they are portrayed. With ladue we see its just setting a bar for the next shooter.With incidents like parkland we need to focus on enforcement. There were many doctors (3) who wanted him commited to a hospital. The principal wanted him commited. He had tons of contact with police. One police incident report from 2016 describe Cruz as suffering from mental illness and being "emotionally handicapped," and being on behavioral medication. One notes, "He has mentioned in the past that he would like to purchase a firearm." These incident reports alone especially the 2016 ones just show that reporting laws were not enforced. He had over 30 police contacts! He showed he was violent and unstable. No one did anything about it. Not the police, not the principal, not the doctors which are bound by HIPPA laws not to disclose to law enforcement unstable patients without getting arrested or loosing their medical license, not his family or family friends, not even his own brother did anything about it. He was in every which way shape and form a prohibited person. He passed because people failed to share that information. Hell even the FBI failed! In 2017 Cruz posted to YouTube how he's gonna be the next school shooter under his name….the fbi didnt investigate. In January someone called the FBI and provided information about him owning guns, wanting to kill people, and “disturbing social media posts”. The FBI did not act. The school emailed teachers about him not being allowed to be on campus with a backpack. A investigator with Florida’s Department of Children and Families was concerned about him wanting to own a gun.All these people were concerned and not a single person wanted to lift a finger. We sentenced a young woman to jail for a similar issue.The above concerned people created a situation where they knew he was unstable and violent and had a desire to buy a gun and a reasonable chance to do harm. They knew and because of their failure to act resulted in a deadly situation that resulted in the death of these students. If carter was guilty of felony involuntary manslaughter then the individuals who failed to act are guilty of felony involuntary manslaughter. It should be enshrined into a new law specifically targeting incidents of mass shooters where they are similarly charged. For example cruz killed 17, the individuals who failed should be charged with 17 felony involuntary manslaughter charges.Will it reduce psychos like Cruz? Yes! Would it stop the psychos that hide it like ladue? No. That's why we need to change the medias reporting of mass shootings.As for the “coward cop” I think you should read this.https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/it-was-my-job-and-i-didnt-find-him-stoneman-douglas-resource-officer-remains-haunted-by-massacre/2018/06/04/796f1c16-679d-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.htmlHe had bad information and had no idea where the shots were coming from. He will forever be haunted by it. I suspect within the next 5 years he will most likely take his life if he does not get the help he needs to cope with the events that day.The take away is there were logistical errors in the break down between police on the ground. This must be remedied.The unarmed guard who tried to stop the shooter lost his life. So i think there should be more guns in school. Teachers or guards doesnt matter. What matters is the fact that throught history the gun has been an equalizer and has served hero and villan alike. We should not talk about school safety if we are going to limit the ways to provide that safety. If a teacher has passed for concealed carry that is demonstrating proficiency in handling, safety and shooting a handgun. Why not allow that teacher to carry in school? If you want to stop it gun free zones have not worked. If they have not worked we should be trying other ideas.Gun bans are not an idea they are an agenda. The founding fathers believed guns were a fundamental right for an individual to protect themselves be it from the government or other people. It is the very fabric of our nation and the back bone of our nation. Does it not make sense to let people defend themselves because they are the first line of responce to such an incident as a school shooting? They are the first responder, they are there before police. Some shootings have been stopped with a law abiding gun owner having a gun.Edit: found an old documentary addressing gun violance which is thought provoking. It is well worth the 2 dollars. Please note though some of it gun rights advocates will not agree with. A lot of the studies are a small sampling group of less then 100,000.