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How do we know if Jesus was a unique or a common phenomena as one among many itinerant preachers of the first century?
How do we know?This is a bit like asking how history and historiography work, but then, it’s also a little bit like asking how we discern truth, and of course it asks if Jesus is unique or not.Let’s break these down and address them one at a time. Feel free to skip over what you already know. The different categories are independent of each other.History and HistoriographyFirst, history, is the study of the past. It provides evidence for establishing what can be called history and what can’t. Historiography is the study of those writings on history.They both begin by asking a question—much like science—and their conclusions are couched in probabilities: what is “most highly probable,” “highly possible,” “somewhat probable,” “least likely,” and so on.History’s conclusions are derived from the examination of primary and secondary evidences from the past. Here’s a list of some of what historians use when investigating the First Century. 1st century - Wikipedia. Here is a valuable discussion of sources used to study the life of Jesus: First-Century Sources on the Life of Jesus. I also recommend Gary Habermas’ book “The Historical Jesus” for an exhaustive critical discussion of all the various sources on Jesus from the first three centuries. [1]This approach to history yields lots of raw information, which is combined with information from other fields such as sociology, anthropology, archaeology, and so on, and sometimes even makes use of previous research from other historians. This mass of raw data is then ‘sifted,’ using logical and “scientific” criteria, and formed into inferences applicable to answering the original question.The most likely explanation embraces the most data with the simplest approach. It is generally determined to be the most probable answer to the original question.This is the writing of history.These meticulously researched answers of historians are then taken by historiographers and are, themselves, evaluated and compared to other answers of other historians on the same subject.Historiographers criticize, challenge, and take apart the historian’s carefully constructed work, piece by piece: they question it by comparing and contrasting both method and result with other’s work. It isn’t always pretty. This process can escort some answers straight out the airlock.Then again, some answers survive just fine, and other scholars get intrigued by the answer’s survival so they do more studies in the same area, sometimes producing yet more support for the original answer.That means that eventually, a few answers have been researched, re-researched, evaluated, compared, questioned and still found strong. Thereafter, they make it all the way to the heady thin air of coming to be regarded as historical fact.History can, thereby, be so dependable that we can know these facts as well as any science knows anything.That Jesus was a Real Historical Person is one of those facts.Jesus was a Real Historical PersonAll the arguments about Jesus’ existence can be reduced to one simple fact: no one within centuries of Jesus’ time doubted he was a real person.Jesus as myth would have been a great boon to Gnosticism which appeared in the second century. Gnosticism emphasized the mystical and spiritual, believing matter was evil, so they argued Jesus only had the “illusion of flesh” when he showed up as human in the first century. If there had been a story of a totally non-historical, purely mythical, mystical Jesus floating around, they would have grabbed it because it would have really helped them out.Yet they never claim it.Instead they depict Jesus as a First Century teacher who seemed like a physical historical being, but who was really a spirit being all along, fooling everyone except the Gnostics who had “special knowledge” — but not knowledge of a mythical Jesus. If there was a "mythic Jesus" tradition in the early centuries—why didn’t the Gnostics use it?Jesus Mythicists claim a “mythic Jesus tradition” started early and survived well into the Second or even the Third Century. Yet when we look at orthodox Christian responses (i.e. Justin Martyr, Origen and Minucius Felix), to the many critiques by Jews and pagans from that period, we find the apologists work hard, take time, and go into detail, to answer the arguments critics made about Jesus - that he was a fool, a magician, a bastard son of a Roman soldier, a fraud, etc - but that none of these ever so much as hint that anyone ever claimed Jesus never existed.Why did it pass totally unnoticed by both the critics and the apologists who answered them—if such an idea existed? There is no record of it in history.No one within centuries of Jesus’ time doubted he was a real historical person. This idea is a creation of the modern anti-Jesus Mythicist activists.Many in this field won’t agree on much of anything but nearly every scholar (99%?) does agree that Jesus was a real historical person.Okay, fine, so he was a person, that doesn’t prove there was anything unique about him.That’s very true. A man named Jesus might have existed yet not played the spiritual role that Christianity now claims for him. The only possible way to sift through that is to look at what the man Jesus most likely claimed for himself while he was still alive. It won’t give “proof,” but in a good historical manner, it will show what was common to Jesus’ day and what else can be considered unique about him—if anything.Jesus Preached and Taught.There were plenty of other preachers and teachers in the first century. He did not draw any unusual attention to himself by going about teaching and preaching or even by having followers.That aspect of Jesus’ life was not unique.He was King of the JewsThere were others in the first century who claimed kingship of the Jewish nation, which Jesus also did. "Then the whole assembly rose and led him off to Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, 'We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Christ, a king.' So Pilate asked Jesus, 'Are you the king of the Jews?' 'Yes, it is as you say,' Jesus replied" (Luke 23:1-3; John 18:36-37).So that claim is also not unique.However, Jesus posited that claim in a different manner—one could even say a unique manner—than the others did: Jesus said his kingdom was “not of this world.” He claimed to be a heavenly king not an earthly one. For Him, there was never a crown involved—or even a ‘kingly’ anointing such as David had—and no one ever referred to him as king—except Pilate of course.All other claimants to the Jewish crown took it, wore it, and tended to die defending it in battle. Jesus did none of that. He simply explained his kingdom was elsewhere. That aspect was unique.MiraclesVirtually all experts on the history of Jesus—whether Jewish, agnostic or Christian—agree that the man from Nazareth performed deeds which his contemporaries interpreted as miraculous. That he had a reputation as a healer is beyond dispute.Meier argues convincingly that, the miracle tradition was not invented by the early church. Instead, the stories about Jesus performing miracles go back to the historical Jesus himself.But what if there were others within 100 years of Jesus—give or take—who were also believed to have done miracles? What if miracle working was common back then?Who else was said to do miracles back then?1. Rabbi Honi the circle drawerHoni the circle maker is reported in the Mishnah (Babylonian Talmud) as having done a miracle during a particularly harsh first century BC drought.[2]The Talmud says Honi prayed for the drought to end and got no answer, so he drew a circle in the dust, stood inside it, and informed God that he would not move until it rained. When it began to drizzle, Honi told God that he was not satisfied and expected more rain; it then began to pour. He explained that he wanted a calm rain, at which point the rain calmed to a normal rain. [3]The report in the Mishnah dates from at least 250 years after Honi’s death.Around AD 90, 150 years after the rabbi’s death, 100 years earlier than the report in the Mishnah, Josephus had also written about Honi saying that “there was a certain Onias (Honi), who, being a righteous man and dear to God had once in a rainless period prayed to God to end the drought, and God had heard his prayer and sent rain.” [4] The other aspects of the story are missing in this earlier version.There is no good reason to doubt that Honi existed or that people in his day believed that it was his prayer that led to rain. Personally, I suspect that the circle drawing is also historical (such an odd, meaningless detail is just the sort of thing we expect in historical memory). But from the evidence we have, the best that can be said about Honi with any assurance is that he was famous for being a righteous man who offered up effective prayer. Once.By contrast, the deeds of Jesus almost never follow prayer. Jesus was remembered—in sources dating close in time to his ministry—as having simply spoken such things into existence—more than once.2. Rabbi Hanina ben DosaThe three earliest references to Hanina ben Dosa are all in the Mishnah (AD 200). He was active a couple of decades after Jesus and is remembered as having had a special ministry of praying for the sick and, just as importantly, knowing which of his prayers would be answered and which would not. Scholars generally do not doubt that Hanina existed and that he was known in his day for just such a ministry.[5]Hanina, like Honi, was famous for effective prayer. His prayers were not always answered. His ‘gift’ was knowing beforehand which prayers would be.They said to him, ‘How do you know?’ he said to them, ‘If my prayer is fluent, then I know that it is accepted and the person will live. But if not, I know that it is rejected and the person will die.[6]He never directly healed anyone himself nor ever claimed to have done so. Jesus did.John P. Meier concludes his discussion of Jewish ‘miracle workers’ with the following word of caution:… in the end one must admit that all the written sources [of these miracle stories] are written later than Jesus, and almost all of them centuries later. I would venture to claim that, beyond the fact that around the turn of the era there existed two Jews in Palestine named Honi and Hanina who were famous for having their prayers answered in extraordinary ways, nothing definite can be said.[7]3. VespasianOne story recorded by Tacitus (AD 114-117) involves the great Roman general-soon-to-be-emperor Vespasian.[8]While in Alexandria in AD 69-70, on his way to Rome to assume the throne, Vespasian was approached by two men, one blind, the other lame, who threw themselves in front of him and begged for healing. At first Vespasian scoffed, but the poor men persisted saying that the local deity, Sarapis, had sent them. Vespasian, having already received ‘prophecies’ about his good fortune, complied.Suetonius (AD 120) also offers an account of this event which suggests the story was widely known. Indeed, that may have been the point.Professor John P. Meier notes that Vespasian did not belong to the rightful line of emperors—Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero—and so needed a sign of his legitimacy. Caesars were “gods” remember. “The whole event looks like a 1st-century equivalent of a ‘photo opportunity’ staged by Vespasian’s P.R. team to give the new emperor divine legitimacy.”[9]Knowing that these ancient historians recorded gossip, legends and facts equally—leaving conclusions to the reader—combined with possible motives for invention, makes it difficult not to remain skeptical of this claim.4. Apollonius of TyanaA more promising example of an ancient healer is the wandering philosopher known as Apollonius of Tyana who was active in the second half of the first century. However, there is a significant obstacle: Philostratus’ Life of Apollonius is the only source for the stories of Apollonius and his miracles, and it has almost no claim at all to historicity. It even shows coincidental evidence of having been created to counter the Gospels in the wake of Christianity’s success in Rome. [10]Many of the mystery cults adopted aspects of Christianity after the first century. Some of the miracles of Apollonius, such as the one about the revival of a young girl, contain suspicious resemblances to stories in the Gospels.[11] It’s also noteworthy that the patron for the project, Empress Julia Domna, was a keen opponent of the Jesus-movement, and Philostratus the author, was writing in the early 3rd-century when huge numbers of his contemporaries in Rome were turning to Christ. Apollonius offers cultured Romans their own pagan miracle-working hero.The one, non-historical, source for the existence of this miracle worker had suspect motives for creating rather than documenting these miracles. We can’t definitively know one way or the other what might be true of him—or if he even actually existed.Are Jesus’ miracles unique or not?For the most part, the non-Christian miracle workers appear in texts written long (centuries) after the events themselves, and their legends have only one or two sources, and their historicity is often not supported. That means the historical criteria do not produce a favorable conclusion for them. [12][13]The miraculous works of Jesus are recorded in no fewer than five independent sources, which are dated to within 20 - 60 years of Jesus—perhaps earlier. (The Jewish writer Josephus provides a sixth, though slightly later, source). The historicity of the gospel writings is more and more supported as new critical studies are done. [14][15] Critical evaluation of the criteria concerning Jesus’ miracles does produce a favorable conclusion.As N.T. Wright says: “…we must be clear that Jesus’ contemporaries, both those who became his followers and those who were determined not to become his followers, certainly regarded him as possessed of remarkable powers. The church did not invent the charge that Jesus was in league with Beelzebul; but charges like that are not advanced unless they are needed as an explanation for some quite remarkable phenomena.”[16]So the answer is yes, Jesus’ miracle-working was unique.Jesus made unique claims about himself: that he fulfilled Prophecy, was equal with the Father and the only path to him, pre-existed his existence on earth, and came here with a divine purpose.Luke 4:16–20:Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read, the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him, and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”Jesus claimed to be the fulfillment of the Son of Man prophecy from the book of Daniel: "Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?' 'I am,' said Jesus. 'And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven" (Mark 14:61-62 and Psalm 110). That was blasphemy to the High Priest who tore his clothes in outrage and called for Jesus’ death. Why? Because it is a claim to be equal with God. That’s unique in all of history, and was certainly unique during Jesus’ era.Jesus claimed to be the only way to God (John 14:6; Matthew 11:27)—the gate, the door, the vine, the path, the way, the truth, the life, etc. No other world religious leader, such as Buddha, Confucius, or Mohammed, ever made such claims about themselves.Jesus claimed to have pre-existed his physical existence.[17](Mark 14:60–64; John 1:1-5). No other teacher or preacher of Jesus’ era said that.He claimed to have come to save all humanity from itself through the sacrifice of his own life. (Luke 19:10; Matthew 18:11; John 3:17; Mark 9:9; 1 Timothy 1:15). No one else in history has ever made that claim about themselves—not Horus, or Krishna—or anyone else. [18][19] [20]He claimed heavenly powers for himselfHe claimed he could forgive sin—which in second Temple idiom meant erase, wash away, send away sin as far as the east is from the west. That’s a claim reserved for the Temple itself by Jews of the period—yet Jesus claimed that power for himself. (Mark 11:27-12:12, 35-37; Matthew 9: 1–8; Luke 5:20-21).He claimed to be able to give everlasting life, and that he would prove this by raising himself from the dead. (John 6:40, 47; 10:28-30; 11:25)He prophesied and foretold the future. In Luke 18:31-33 "Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, 'We are going up into Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again." In Mark 13 and Matthew 24 he prophesies both the end of Jerusalem within “this generation”—which happened in 70 AD—and the end of days with no one—not even himself—knowing when that would happen.He claimed the power to do miracles that others could not do (Matthew 11:3–5; Luke 7:18–30; Mark 2:1–12).And he claimed to be Messiah.If claiming to be Messiah was a “common phenomena”—if there were other claimants to that position—then perhaps Jesus was not unique. Perhaps it was a perfectly ordinary claim which reflected more about the times than any single person. But the concept of Messiah was a Jewish one. He was looked for by Jewish people, to deliver the Jews from oppression by evil, and was predicted in Jewish prophecy.EDIT:TIMING IS EVERYTHINGMichael Taylor has been good enough to share with me a Wikipedia page that lists over 80 Messianic possibilities. There is a problem with this list: the Messianic eschatology of both the Jews and the Samaritans had a time-frame for the arrival of the Messiah.The religious of the day would have evaluated Messianic prospects with reference to that timing, and the majority of the people on this list List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia are simply too far outside the anticipated time frame for them to have been seen, by the ancients, as viable Messianic candidates.One reason Messiah was looked for in Jesus’ day was because it was believed Messiah’s appearance would take place while the Second Temple was still standing.Then the Temple would be destroyed. After the appearance of Messiah, “…the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” (Daniel 9:26).Roman legions did march on Jerusalem and destroy the Temple in 70AD so that timing must be taken into consideration in observing how the ancients evaluated a Messianic claim.The rabbis believed Psalm 118 (vv. 25,26) would be sung to the Messiah when he arrived. “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! We have blessed you from the house of the Lord”. The only way they could bless the Messiah from the house of the Lord was if it was still there.Malachi 3:1 predicts: “Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his Temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come”. Twelfth century Jewish scholar, Rabbi David Kimchi, interprets this to mean the Messiah will come to the Temple. That can only happen if it’s there.Another time constraint was found in Genesis 49:10: “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, …. until Shiloh (Messiah) comes” and Ezra 1:5–8.According to Josephus, the scepter was seen as ‘departed’ by the Saduccees when Rome made Judah a Roman province in 6 AD. They wept, threw ashes on their heads and said “The scepter has passed and Messiah has not come.” Yet Jesus had been born by then.While there was a provincial government in place, that time-frame might conceivably be stretched to include much of the first century, but after 70AD, that time constraint was also at an end.The Messiah had to come from a specific lineage that was verifiable through the Temple records. Proof of such lineage was destroyed when the Temple was sacked.While we do not have the Temple records, we do have the record of Jesus’ family tree by both Luke and Matthew. They both identify that he is from the house of David and the tribe of Judah.(There is debate as to whether or not these birth accounts were added later, but that would not automatically disprove their validity. Mary, Jesus’ mother, became a post-death follower of Jesus, and she could have been the one to contribute that information. We just don’t know.)The thing is, we also don’t know of any other Messianic candidate, apart from Jesus, who is depicted as descended from the tribe of Judah and the house of David.One interpretation of the time frame in Daniel supported the idea that the Messiah would come 483 years after the command to restore Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple:…that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. (Daniel 9:25)If the “clock” on these 69 “weeks” (units of seven years) began ticking when Artaxerxes issued the decree enabling Nehemiah to rebuild the Temple and restore the holy city of Jerusalem (see Nehemiah 2:1–8) in Nisan (March/April) of 444 BC., that would mean the Messiah would appear somewhere around 33 AD.The Daniel prophecy (v.26) says that after the seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, the Messiah would be “cut off” which meant killed or die a violent death. Isaiah wrote of one who would suffer and die for the sins of the people. Psalm 22 graphically portrays death by crucifixion, a method of execution not known to the psalmist writing 1000 years before Jesus.Counting 483 years after Artaxerxes’ decree would bring us to 33AD. The Temple was destroyed in 70AD. That leaves a window of 37 years in which the Messiah from the tribe of Judah and the house of David could come. Not only that, but he was to die a violent death at that time.END OF EDITProphecy is often quite flexible where time is concerned, so I have evaluated those claimants who lived within 100 years on either side of that 33 AD date.There are 15 possible claimants to Messiahship (in addition to Jesus) from this era.Some of these must be dismissed outright, while all that can be said of the others is “nothing definite can be said.” This leaves one positively supported claimant to Messiahship, in addition to Jesus: the Jewish warrior Simon Bar Kochba, who lived a full century after Jesus died who was later called the false Messiah by those who had previously supported him. .Judas, son of Hezekiah. Josephus tells us that after Herod the Great died, there were several revolts against his son and successor one of which was led by Judas. He was probably caught by the governor of Syria who marched his army in to restore order. “There are no indications in his story that his aspirations were messianic in nature.”[21]Simon of Peraea (4 BCE). “Simon of Peraea may have "put a diadem on his head", and his men must have created sufficient trouble to make the Romans send in the legions, but there are no indications that he was considered the Messiah.”[22]Anthronges the shepherd, “Josephus twice mentions that he was crowned with a diadem but does not mention anointment. Unless Josephus tells a lie -something he is certainly capable of- we must assume that Anthronges thought coronation more important than anointment as Messiah.”[23]Judas the Galilean was a zealot who co-founded the movement with Zadock the Pharisee. Judas led a revolt mentioned in Acts, though it is unclear what happened exactly as the revolt is not mentioned by Tacitus. Livius surmises Judas may have been called Messiah but Josephus does not say so. Zealotry can be seen as a “Messianic type movement” but that’s as close as you can get either of these two founders of a political movement to spiritual Messiahship.[24]John the Baptist denied he was the Messiah and there is good support for him attributing that role to Jesus. No one ever declared John to be Messiah.[25]The Samaritan prophet may be called a kind of Messiah, because he announced the restoration of the cult in the Samaritan temple on Mount Gerizim. But he was not a Messiah in its larger more original Jewish sense, since the Samaritan’s role did not extend beyond the Samaritans.[26]Theudas “told them he was a prophet” but there is no evidence he ever claimed to be Messiah or was proclaimed Messiah by his followers.[27]Jonathon the weaver went with his followers into the desert, preparing them for the restoration of Israel. There are indeed “messianic aspects” to this behavior, but we cannot be certain whether Jonathan ever called himself Messiah or if anyone else did.”[28]The Egyptian prophet. Josephus tells of “someone” coming out of Egypt claiming to be a prophet. This nameless Egyptian may have called himself "King and Messiah", because Josephus uses the Greek verb tyrannein ("to be sole ruler") in the first quotation about him, but nothing definitive can be known. [29]An unnamed prophet leads his followers to the desert, claiming to be the “prophet like Moses” predicted in Deuteronomy 18.15-18. He may or may not have been called a Messiah. No one knows what happened to him or who he was.Moses of Crete. Some Talmudic calculations led to the belief that the Messiah would come in 440 AD (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 97b) or 471 AD (Babylonian Talmud, 'Aboda Zara 9b). In 448, these expectations seemed to be fulfilled, when someone announced they would bring the Jews from Crete back to Jerusalem. This turned out to be a trick.[30]Simon Bar Giora was a leader of the Jewish revolt against Rome that was part of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Josephus says, “Simon, thinking he might be able to astonish and elude the Romans, put on a white frock, and buttoned upon him a purple cloak, and appeared out of the ground in the place where the temple had formerly been. At the first, indeed, those that saw him were greatly astonished, and stood still where they were; but afterward they came nearer to him, and asked him who he was. Now Simon would not tell them, but bid them call for their captain; and when they ran to call him, Terentius Rufus (who was left to command the army there) came to Simon, and learned of him the whole truth, and kept him in bonds, and let Titus know that he was taken.” The fact he wore a purple robe in the Temple area does not prove he was considered Messiah, but it does incline in that direction. Since there is no record of him ever claiming Messiahship, or anyone claiming it for him, nothing definite can be said.[31]Lukuas was called a king of the Jews of Cyrene when leading them in a rebellion against the Roman emperor Trajan. It’s possible he was considered a Messiah as well as a king, but there is no evidence he was proclaimed as such by either himself or his followers. [32]Abu Isa' al-Isfahani proclaimed that he was the Messiah in around 700 AD. Too late to be considered the same period as Jesus. [33]Simon bar Kochba—aka Simon ben Kosiba—and Jesus of Nazareth are the only Jewish leaders who are positively identified as Messiahs in the Jewish sources: Jesus is explicitly called "Messiah" by Flavius Josephus, by his follower the Apostle Peter, and Jesus declares himself as such to the High Priest, his enemy in the Gospel of Mark and Matthew. Ben Kosiba lived about 100 years after Jesus and is declared Messiah in several rabbinical treatises.Simon wrote letters to his fellow rebels, several of which have been found by archaeologists, in which he refers to himself as "prince of Israel" but there is sufficient other evidence to support the idea that he was believed to be the Jewish Messiah.He was a ruthless military Messiah, who never laid claim to be a sage, or priest, or prophet.He punished any Jew who refused to join his ranks, and led them into a war that killed half a million of them including himself.[34]He was thereafter designated the “false Messiah” by those who had previously supported him.Since this was a century after Jesus died, it is borderline on whether or not it is reasonable to claim any other Messiah existed “in the same time frame” as Jesus.There are hundreds of messianic prophesies found in the Hebrew Scriptures.These prophecies can be sorted into two categories: some passages, (Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12 being the most prominent), describe a suffering Messiah: a man rejected, humble, and suffering quietly. Other passages, such as Isaiah 11:1–9, describe a triumphant Messiah: a victorious king, militarily establishing the government of Israel, defeating other nations who are her enemies, and ruling with justice over a world transformed by the universal knowledge of God into a place of peace.Early rabbinic tradition interpreted these discrepancies as describing two separate messiahs: one the “Son of Joseph” and the other the “Son of David.” The “Son of Joseph” Messiah fulfills the prophecies concerning suffering and even dying to bring redemption. The Talmud (b. Sukkah 52a) states this messiah would do many great deeds before being slain in a great war preceding the triumphant reign of “Messiah Son of David” (based on Daniel 9:25–26).After “Messiah Son of David” comes and is victorious militarily, he will fulfill the prophecies about universal peace, the rebuilding of the Temple, the gathering of Israel, and the restoration of the whole world.The rabbis claim he will then raise the suffering Messiah “Son of Joseph” from the dead.The New Testament sees no conflict between these two portraits. Instead the NT sees one Messiah, coming at two separate times, with two separate purposes, with an interval of time between them for the purpose of “gathering in the full number of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:25).Jesus is seen as having already fulfilled the role of the “Son of Joseph” having done many great deeds before being slain in the great war between good and evil. It also promises Jesus will come again and will bring a final victory over evil, thereby bringing universal peace and restoring the world.In fact, the New Testament indicates the peace the Bible says the Messiah will bring to the whole world begins immediately, with all who receive him as the messianic king having peace with God and with each other, and that his later triumph is not possible without this happening first (Ephesians 2:14; Hebrews 9:28).This makes sense of prophecies like Zechariah 12:10 where God says, “I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.”If Jesus is indeed the pierced one, then these contradictory passages concerning the mission of the Messiah make sense. They will all be fulfilled by Jesus—in being rejected, he suffered as the atonement for our sins, in being received, he brings peace and the messianic age, and in his second coming, we will finally see the Kingdom of God and the restoration of the world.[35]ConclusionHow do we know if Jesus was a unique or a common phenomena as one among many itinerant preachers of the first century?We know through history that Jesus, while having things in common with some others, was actually quite unique. He never claimed to be a prophet even though he prophesied. He never made a move to claim his kingdom, though he did say the kingship was his. He was a miracle worker like no other. He claimed to be Messiah in a capacity no one else ever has. He claimed more for himself and his role and his purpose in being on earth than any other person in history.[36] These spiritual claims can be traced back to him and are not creations of the later church about him.Historically, theologically and spiritually, Jesus was—is—a one of a kind.Footnotes[1] The Historical Jesus[2] http://Babylonian Talmud, b. Berakhot 34b.[3] Honi ha-M'agel - Wikipedia[4] http://Jewish Antiquities 14.22.[5] http://Babylonian Talmud, b. Berakhot 34b.[6] http://Mishnah Berakhot 5.5.[7] http://John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus (vol.2). Doubleday, 1994, 586.[8] http://Tacitus Histories 4.81[9] http://John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus (vol.2). Doubleday, 1994, 625.[10] http://Howard Clark Kee, Miracle in the Early Christian World: a Study in Sociohistorical Method. Yale University Press, 1983, 264[11] http://John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus (vol.2). Doubleday, 1994, 580.[12] http://Jenny Hawkins's answer to Is there any evidence of the miracles that Jesus Christ had allegedly been involved in? (https://qr.ae/TUGxlr) [13] http://Jenny Hawkins's answer to Was Jesus' ability to perform miracles affected by the faith of those around him? (https://qr.ae/TSzddy)[14] Johannine Question: Martin Hengel, J. Bowden: 9780334007951: Amazon.com: Books[15] The Historical Reliability of the Gospels[16] Jenny Hawkins's answer to Is there historical evidence of Jesus' miracles?[17] Jenny Hawkins's answer to Did Jesus believe he was God? Or did people like Paul try to turn him into a new religion?[18] Jenny Hawkins's answer to Was Jesus a real living human or a mythological figure, such as Fuxi or Krishna?[19] Horus Manure: Debunking the Jesus/Horus Connection[20] Jenny Hawkins's answer to Was Jesus a real living human or a mythological figure, such as Fuxi or Krishna?[21] Judas son of Hezekiah[22] Simon of Perea - Livius[23] Athronges - Livius[24] Judas the Galilean[25] John the Baptist[26] The Samaritan Prophet[27] Theudas - Livius[28] Jonathan the Weaver[29] The Egyptian Prophet[30] Moses of Crete - Livius[31] Simon Bar Giora - Livius[32] Lukuas - Livius[33] Abu Isa' al-Isfahani[34] Simon Ben Kosiba[35] “Jesus can’t be the Messiah. He didn’t bring peace!” • Jews for Jesus[36] Jenny Hawkins's answer to Did Jesus believe he was God? Or did people like Paul try to turn him into a new religion?
Is it possible Trump Jan 6, 2021 had no idea urging "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore" a threat - interpreted by the poorly educated (he said he loves) & emotionally roused, for serious action? Surely this betrays seditious intent?
Is it possible Trump Jan 6, 2021 had no idea urging "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore" a threat - interpreted by the poorly educated (he said he loves) & emotionally roused, for serious action? Surely this betrays seditious intent?Unfortunately, YouTube has removed the video you provided so I am lacking some context in that regard.However, I do believe that the most loathsome person ever to occupy, or rather squat, at the White House knew exactly what his words would result in. And he really could care less. I recall a Rolling Stone magazine article I read about 4 years ago in which a former employee of his company said that his M.O. was, and this is not a direct quote but very similar, “is to throw a grenade into the room and leave someone else to clean up the mess. He thrives on chaos.”But “fight like hell or you won’t have a country anymore” is just the tip of the iceberg.There were a number of statements he made leading up to that time which were also, in my opinion, incitement and just as deliberate:January 20, 2020: President Trump enthusiastically expresses support for heavily armed 2nd Amendment protesters in Richmond, Virginia.President Trump tweets: “The Democrat Party in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia are working hard to take away your 2nd Amendment rights.”April 17, 2020: Following armed anti-pandemic lockdown protests at several state capitals, Trump tweets: “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” and “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”The tweets come in response to armed protests in several states, including Michigan, where protesters chanted “lock her up,” referring to Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The tweets prompt a leading legal expert on militias Mary McCord to write that Trump has “incited insurrection” against state governments.April 30, 2020: Armed protestors storm the Michigan state capitol building. Two of the protestors are eventually charged in the attempted kidnapping of Governor Gretchen Whitmer (see entry for Oct. 7, 2020).The New York Times reports that one of the protestors carried a sign that read, “Tyrants Get the Rope,” and another carried an American flag that had a doll made to look like Ms. Whitmer hanging from it.May 1, 2020: Trump tweets in favor of the Michigan protestors.The president tweets: “The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.”May 28, 2020: Trump retweets, with praise, a video of a supporter saying, “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.”July 9, 2020: President Trump refuses to say whether he will accept the election results.In an interview with President Trump, Fox News reporter Chris Wallace asks him whether he will accept the election results. Trump responds, “No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.”August 17, 2020: President Trump condemns Antifa as the Proud Boys descend on Portland, Oregon.The Proud Boys lead an “End Domestic Terrorism Rally” in Portland, Oregon, in self-proclaimed opposition to Antifa; the rally is met by counterprotestors and a heavy police presence. Trump tweets, “Major consideration is being given to naming ANTIFA an “ORGANIZATION OF TERROR.” Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!”August 17, 2020: Trump claims the only way he will lose the election is if it is rigged.In a speech in Wisconsin, Trump says, “The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that.” It is a statement he will repeat in a speech on Aug. 24 at the Republican National Convention (“The only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election”).Note: Since May, Trump had been tweeting that mail-in-ballots would mean the election is rigged, which he also repeated in media appearances and other public statements.August 19, 2020: President Trump acknowledges and appears to tacitly endorse QAnon for the first time.When asked at a White House press conference what he thinks about QAnon and what he has to say to the movement’s followers, the President says:“Well I don’t know much about the movement, but from what I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate. I have heard that it is gaining in popularity, and from what I hear these are people that… They watch the streets of Portland, when they watch what happened in New York City in just the last six or seven months . . . these are people that don’t like seeing what’s going on in places like Portland and places like Chicago and New York City and other cities and states and I’ve heard these are people that love our country and they just don’t like seeing it.”When asked about their belief that he is fighting a secret global battle against a cult of pedophile cannibals, he says, “Well I hadn’t heard that, but is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? If I can help save the world from problems, I’m willing to do it, and we are actually, we are saving the world from a radical left philosophy that will save this country.”August 31, 2020: After the police shooting of Jacob Blake, an unarmed black man in Kenosha, Wisconsin, President Trump declines to condemn white nationalist-led violent protests.Trump expresses sympathy to 17-year old Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with shooting and killing two people, and the president suggests he may have been acting in self defense. In response to the violence in Kenosha and Portland, Oregan, Trump also says: “Well, I understand that had large numbers of people that were supporters, but that was a peaceful protest…And paint is not — and paint as a defensive mechanism, paint is not bullets. … These people, they protested peacefully. They went in very peacefully.”In response to Trump’s failure to denounce the violence, then-candidate Biden states: “He wouldn’t even repudiate one of his supporters who is charged with murder because of his attacks on others. He is too weak, too scared of the hatred he has stirred to put an end to it.”Later reports suggest that DHS officials were directed to make sympathetic statements toward Rittenhouse. It is unclear whether these directions originated at the White House or within the DHS press office, NBC reports.September 8, 2020: Brian Murphy, a whistleblower in the Department of Homeland Security submits a complaint that claims that the two most senior DHS officials tried to suppress threat assessments of white supremacy because it would reflect poorly on President Trump.The complaint alleges that acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf and Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli wanted Murphy to “ specifically modify the section on White Supremacy in a manner that made the threat appear less severe, as well as include information on the prominence of violent ‘left-wing’ groups.” The complaint also alleges that DHS leadership asked Murphy to “modify intelligence assessments to ensure they matched up with the public comments by President Trump on the subject of ANTIFA and ‘anarchist’ groups.”The complaint garners wide media attention.September 23, 2020: In response to a direct question, President Trump refuses to say he will ensure a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election.In a White House press conference, a reporter asks the president if he will “commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election?” President Trump answers, “Well, we’re going to have to see what happens.” He further raises alarms about a potential transition of power: “Get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation.”September 29, 2020: First Presidential Debate.When asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace, if the president will urge his supporters to “stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest,” President Trump answers vaguely that “bad things happen in Philadelphia. Bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it’s going to be a fair election.” His answers heighten concern of “election day chaos.”Later in the debate, when asked to condemn white supremacist militias like the Proud Boys, Trump tells them to “Stand back and stand by,” and that “somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”The President’s comments are widely interpreted as a boost for the Proud Boys and other white nationalist groups. In response to the statement and lack of denouncement of white supremecists, a known social media account associated with the Proud Boys makes “stand back and stand by” its new slogan. A user on the Proud Boys’ Telegram account also writes, “Standing down and standing by sir.” Proud Boys organizer Joe Biggs likewise posts that he is “standing by,” and that Trump “basically said to go f— them [antifa] up.”October 07, 2020: The Justice Department indicts ring for attempting to kidnap Michigan Governor.The Justice Department announces indictments of 13 men charged with attempting to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan. Whitmer cites Trump statements failing to condemn white supremacists and other rhetoric is seen as a “rallying cry” for such violent groups.Trump responds to the plot at a rally in Lansing, MI: “It was our people — my people, our people that helped her out. And then she blamed me for it. She blamed me and it was our people that helped her. I don’t get it. How did you put her there?” (The crowd chants “lock her up” at the rally in response).Trump tweets, “I do not tolerate ANY extreme violence. Defending ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack me, is what I will always do as your President! Governor Whitmer—open up your state, open up your schools, and open up your churches!”October 15, 2020: President Trump claims to know nothing about QAnon, and refuses to denounce it.When asked at a televised town hall whether he disavows QAnon, Trump responds, “I know nothing about QAnon … What I do hear about it, they are very strongly against pedophilia, and I agree with that.” When pressed on whether he believes a satanic pedophile ring exists, he retorts, “No, I don’t know that and neither do you know that.”November 1, 2020: President Trump praises supporters who, with their cars, swarm a Biden campaign bus traveling between San Antonio and Texas.A Biden campaign spokesperson says the vehicles “attempted to slow the bus down and run it off the road,” and that following the incident an event at the Texas AFL-CIO was canceled out of an “abundance of caution.”“Did you see the way our people were protecting his bus?” Trump boasts at a frigid rally in Washington, Mich., hours after tweeting a video of the caravan with the message: “I LOVE TEXAS.” “They had hundreds of cars. Trump. Trump. Trump, and the American flag.”“These patriots did nothing wrong,” he tweets in response to news the FBI is investigating the caravan.November 13, 2020: In the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election, President Trump’s allies spearhead a media campaign and a call to action of the President’s supporters.“This is as serious a constitutional crisis as our nation has ever faced. We will only be the beacon of hope for the world if we are willing to stand with courage and integrity & defend our republic,” General Mike Flynn, former National Security Advisor, tweets. Sidney Powell echos the statements, saying in an interview that “This is essentially a new American revolution. And anyone who wants this country to remain free needs to step up right now.”December 1, 2020: While the President’s supporters continue to ratchet up calls of martial law and use of force, Republicans beg the President to tamp down his rhetoric, concerned that it will lead to violence.Lin Wood proclaims on Parler: “Our country is headed to Civil War…President Trump must follow the precedent of Abraham Lincoln and declare martial law.”Meanwhile, as media attention focuses on battleground states, Gabriel Sterling, a Republican election official in Georgia, implores Trump in a passionate viral speech:“Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. And it’s not right.”'Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone's gonna get hurt. Someone's gonna get shot. Someone's gonna get killed.' — Gabriel Sterling issued this prescient warning to President Trump on December 1 pic.twitter.com/i3YUomRfly— NowThis (@nowthisnews) January 7, 2021December 2, 2020: Violent rhetoric by President Trump’s allies continues as the Georgia Senate runoff race nears.“We’re going to slay Goliath, the communists, the liberals, the phonies. Joe Biden will never set foot in the Oval Office of this country. It will not happen on our watch. Never gonna happen,” Lin Wood claims at the Stop the Steal Rally in Alpharetta, Georgia.December 6, 2020: Armed protestors arrive at the home of Michigan Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson, threatening violence after the results of the election.December 8, 2020: The official Twitter account of the Arizona GOP asks supporters whether they are willing to die for President Trump.In response to a Stop the Steal tweet saying “I am willing to give my life for this fight,” the Arizona GOP tweets, “He is. Are you?” The GOP account also tweets a clip of the 2008 movie “Rambo,” as the character proclaims, “This is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something.” After public criticism, both tweets are deleted.December 9, 2020:“I believe there will be violence in our streets soon.” Lin Wood predicts during an interview on the pro-Trump TV station, New Tang Dynasty Television.December 12, 2020: On the day of “Stop the Steal” rallies, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio posts photos of himself taken at the White House, although the White House later denies he was invited.Tarrio posts photos on Parler of himself on the White House portico, claiming that he had received a “last minute invite to an undisclosed location” while attending a protest in Washington D.C. The White House refutes the invitation and states that Tarrio did not meet with Trump, but does not explain how he passed screening for a public tour.December 12, 2020: “Stop the Steal” rallies occur across the country and turn violent; President Trump expresses his support for his supporters’ participation in the rallies.Trump tweets his encouragement: “Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA”While Trump supporters also gather in Olympia, Washington, St. Paul, Minnesota, Trump allies Mike Flynn and Sebastian Gorka speak at the Washington D.C. rally. Flynn compares the protestors and Trump supporters to the story of Jericho, a Biblical story where the people peacefully conquer a city after marching around it.December 14, 2020: As the Electoral College plans to meet in statehouses across the country to certify the 2020 election, credible threats of violence force building shutdowns in Michigan.Arizona’s state capitol building receives increased security in advance of the vote as well.December 17, 2020: Michael Flynn publicly floats the idea that President Trump could use the United States military in response to what the President falsely claims to be a rigged election.“If he wanted to, [President Trump] could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.” “Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I’m not calling for that,” Flynn backtracks. “We have a constitutional process. … That has to be followed. But I will tell you I’m a little concerned about Chief Justice John Roberts at the Supreme Court. We can’t fool around with the fabric of the Constitution of the United States.”Flynn’s interview sparks concerns that President Trump could invoke the Insurrection Act. North Carolina state senator Bob Steinburg (R) calls on Facebook (in a now deleted post) for President Trump to “declare a national emergency” and “invoke the Insurrection Act” in response to false claims that the election had been stolen from President Trump.December 18, 2020: Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell meet with Trump and top administration officials in a heated meeting at the White House. Trump reportedly asks Flynn to inform him about the martial law idea; other advisors talk Trump out of this notion.December 19, 2020: Trump begins to rally support around a large gathering of his supporters in Washington D.C. on January 6th, immediately following the Senate elections in Georgia and coinciding with Congress’ certification of President-elect Biden’s victory.Trump tweets: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election” and “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”December 20: General Flynn retweets a call for President Trump to “cross the Rubicon” made by Kelli Ward, Chair of the Arizona Republican Party.Ward tweets, “Mr. President @realDonaldTrump – we are with you in #Arizona. We are working every avenue to stop this coup & to stop our Republic from crumbing. Patriots are united. Those who are against us are exposing themselves. #Liberty & #freedom are on the line. #CrossTheRubicon @GenFlynn.”Originated by Ron Watkins, who once ran the far-right message board 8kun, where “Q” posts cryptic messages to QAnon followers, the hashtag #CrossTheRubicon soon proliferates across pro-Trump social media. It refers to Julius Caesar’s fateful decision to lead his army across the Rubicon River from Gaul into Italy, a clear violation of Roman law and a de facto declaration of war on the Republic. The phrase has more generally come to refer to passing a point of no return.December 21, 2020: Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) tells attendees at a Turning Point USA rally to “call your congressman and feel free — you can lightly threaten them.”December 27, 2020: Trump tweets, “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow.”December 28, 2020: Former Trump White House official Olivia Troye says she is “very concerned that there will be violence on January 6th because the president himself encourages it.”Troye elaborates, “This is what [President Trump] does. He tweets. He incites it. He gets his followers and supporters to behave in this manner, and these people think that they’re being patriotic because they are supporting Donald Trump.”December 29, 2021: The Proud Boys announce they will attend the January 6 event, saying they will do so “incognito.” The statement is widely reported including in conservative news outlets (e.g., Fox News; Washington Times).Special note: The Timeline includes acts of commission, and it is difficult to include acts of omission. However, it is important to note that President Trump does not issue any statement that the Proud Boys are not welcome.January 1, 2021: Momentum builds for the January 6th rally, with increased calls for violence by Trump supporters.Trump himself tweets, “The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11:00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!”He also retweets Kylie Jane Kremer, chair of Women for America First, an organizer of the rally. “The calvary[sic] is coming, Mr. President! JANUARY 6th,” Kremer had tweeted on Dec. 19. The President responds, “A great honor!” in his retweet on New Years Day.Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says on Newsmax that as a consequence of the dismissal of his lawsuit enjoining Mike Pence to overturn the election results, “you got to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa and BLM.” The following day, Gohmert tweets a statement saying that he does not advocate violence.January 3, 2021: Support continues to grow for the January 6th event, as President Trump and ally Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) encourage supporters to show up.At a rally ahead of the Georgia Senate special election, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) says, “We will not go quietly into the night. We will defend liberty. And we are going to win.”Meanwhile, Trump retweets @CodeMonkeyZ (now suspended by Twitter): “If you are planning to attend peaceful protests in DC on the 6th, i recommend wearing a body camera. The more video angles of that day the better.”January 4, 2021: On the eve of the two-days of events in DC, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio is arrested in Washington D.C., as President Trump and Donald Trump Jr. call for supporters to “fight like hell.”Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio is arrested in Washington D.C. for burning a Black Lives Matter banner that he had taken from a Black church during December’s Stop the Steal rallies. He is found to be in possession of two high capacity firearm magazines, which is charged for possession.At a pre-election rally in Georgia, Donald Trump, Jr., introducing his father, tells the crowd, “We need to fight.” President Trump then takes the stage, telling supporters, “They’re not taking this White House. We’re going to fight like hell.”January 5, 2021: General Flynn directs veiled threats to Congress while speaking at a rally. “Those of you who are feeling weak tonight, those of you who don’t have the moral fiber in your body — get some tonight because tomorrow we the people are going to be here.”January 6, 2021: In the morning, President Trump and his allies encourage his followers to show up for the protests over Twitter.President Trump tweets, “The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!”“Today is 1776” tweets newly elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), who had earlier in the week made a video purporting to carry her firearm into the Capitol.Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) tweets, “FIGHT. FOR. TRUMP.”January 6, 2021: President Trump, members of his family and supporters speak at the rally on the National Mall in Washington D.C.Donald Trump Jr. warms up the crowd, saying of Republican lawmakers, “If you’re gonna be the zero and not the hero, we’re coming for you.”Rudy Giuliani is next. “If we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. So let’s have trial by combat … I’ll be darned if they’re going to take our free and fair vote…We’re going to fight to the very end to make sure that doesn’t happen.”Finally, President Trump makes a series of incendiary statements during his speech:“I would love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, the Secret Service and we want to thank you and the police and law enforcement great you’re doing a great job, but I would love it if they could be allowed to come up with us.”He directs them to the Capitol: “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol– and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.”“You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”“Something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”“So we are going to–we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give–the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote but we are going to try–give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re try–going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.”January 6, 2021: Senator Josh Hawley raises a fist.As he enters the Capitol, the Missouri Republican makes a clear gesture of support for the pro-Trump crowd.Other Republican lawmakers show support for the growing protests. Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) states at the rally, “Today is a time of choosing and tomorrow is a time of fighting. Today is also a day of revelation and separation…Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.”January 6, 2021: The attack on the U.S. Capitol begins.At 1:49PM, Trump tweets a link to a video of his remarks at the Ellipse.At 2:24PM, Trump tweets: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”Trump is reportedly “initially pleased” by events as he watches them unfold, and “disregard[s] aides pleading with him to intercede.”According to a close adviser of the president, “rather than appearing appalled, Trump was voraciously consuming the events on television, enjoying the spectacle and encouraged to see his supporters fighting for him.”According to Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, White House aides say that President Trump is “delighted,” while “walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team [are]n’t as excited.”President Trump initially rebuffs and refuses requests to mobilize the D.C. National Guard. Eventually, the Guard is mobilized after an order from Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and acting Defense Secretary Christopher C. Miller. Vice President Mike Pence approves the order and the Guard is deployed.Republican House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy demands that Trump make a statement denouncing the rioters. He refuses, leading to a “screaming match” between the two men.Ivanka Trump, the President’s daughter and advisor, tweets (and later deletes) a call for the violence to end, but addresses the tweet to “American Patriots,” earning swift backlash.At 2:38 PM, President Trump tweets, “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”A person familiar with discussions about what the president should tweet told the Washington Post that Trump had resisted adding the final sentence, “Stay peaceful.”At 4:17 PM, President Trump releases a recorded statement on Twitter, reiterating his claims of a rigged election but telling the rioters that “You have to go home now, we have to have peace … We love you, you’re very special.”At 6:01 PM, Trump tweets, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”January 6, 2021: Pro-Trump supporters gather across the country as events in the Capitol unfold, with some state buildings evecuating as violence errupts.Armed supporters of the President rally in Washington state, breaching a fence of the governor’s residence, though are unsuccessful in advancing further. State buildings are closed in Denver, Colorado, Austin, Texas, and Santa Fe, New Mexico as rallies occur outside.In Oregon, protestors burn an effigy of Governor Kate Brown, while in Arizona, a guillotine with a Trump flag is set up outside the statehouse. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) Facetimes the crowds in Arizona, shortly after objecting to the certification of President-elect Biden’s victory in the state, telling protestors “I’m so proud of you for being out there, gotta love you for keeping the fight.”January 6, 2021: The FBI counters claims that Antifa was involved.Some conservative politicians and pundits immediately lob baseless claims that the riot was a false flag attack by Antifa. On a call with the press, an FBI spokesperson says, “We have no indication” of Antifa involvement. The arrests of 120 individuals over the next few days shows that longtime Trump supporters and right-wing militants comprised the attackers, an Associated Press report shows.January 6, 2021: Death tollFive people die in the assault on the Capitol, including U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick. Another fifteen officers are hospitalized, with 56 in total initially reported injured. [Update: As of Feb. 24, 2021, Capitol police officials state, “Around 140 officers were injured during the insurrection including officers with crushed spinal discs, broken kneecaps, and traumatic brain injuries” and that “some of these officers may never return to duty. Many more are experiencing signs of PTSD.”]For days, the White House is criticized for not flying the mast at half mast for the death of officer Sicknick. On January 10, officer Howard Liebengood, who had helped defend the Capitol, commits suicide. That day, President Trump finally orders the White House flag lowered to half mast.So in effect, Trump was setting the stage well in advance with numerous Tweets and public statements at his self adulation tours. These resulted in numerous responses of agreement and support from prominent politicians and right wing nutjob groups. This went on and on for months during which time his supporters became more and more worked up while aided and abetted by social media where all kinds of rhetoric and conspiracy theories basically ran amok, adding fuel to the fire that was lit with a match by Twitterfingers.And as you can see, prominent people did warn that his words and actions would lead to violence. Stating the obvious.I liken his constant bombardment of Tweets, public statements, etc. listed within this answer as being akin to what war time Generals say to get their soldiers ready to go to battle. I see little to no difference whatsoever.Incitement Timeline: Year of Trump’s Actions Leading to the Attack on the CapitolA highly detailed chronology of the year leading up to the attack on the Capitol.https://www.justsecurity.org/74138/incitement-timeline-year-of-trumps-actions-leading-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/
Is Elizabeth Warren’s gun control plan one that Americans will want? Why or why not?
Ok lets take this point by point shall we?Columbine.Sandy Hook.Charleston.Pulse.Las Vegas.Parkland.Pittsburgh.Now El Paso. Dayton.Starting off strong with a plea to emotion rather than on merits, or what people want.These are just a few of the names etched into the American consciousness, synonymous with senseless loss and enduring grief.It’s been a week since these latest attacks, and on average every day 100 people are killed in the U.S. by a gun — in shootings that occur in our homes, on our streets, at our playgrounds.Fact check. No these people are killed by people, not guns. And more than 2/3 are by themselves. Not exactly the picture she was painting with her emotional appeal in the previous section. Lieing and false framing to the audience, another point against warren. Because if the facts or even the audience are on your side you dont need to decieve like this.The victims are our neighbors and our friends. Someone’s mother, someone’s child, someone’s sibling.Half true but statistically I'd like to point out that women are rarely shot. Instead it's almost exclusively men so it should have been stated as fathers, sons and brothers. Attempting to gender this as a female issue is deceptive and immoral.There is no shortage of horrifying statistics about our gun violence epidemic.Our firearm homicide rate is 25 times higher than other comparable countries.Again, she gave a half truth, in order to make it seem like America is far worse off than it is with framing, and decietful comparisons. We have a fraction the rate of our southern neighbor mexico (which is according to the UN is also an industrialized nation) and only 4-5 times the rate of nations like Canada and Germany.Even if it were true the framing of question is decietful as it tries to make a comparison by the most extreme example, then further fails to address how much is justifiable homicide (see personal defense) and the rate of overall violence and homicide of these nations as well. And it also fails to address three major questions. First, whether their “stricter laws" were the cause their lower firearm homicide rate, or if it was more a result of their cultural homogeny, geography, or other factors. Second if such laws affected the overall rate of violence and homicide in those nations. And third, and most importantly if such laws would have the effect being claimed here in America.Even then trying to compare country like the US, where the minority populations approaching 50%, to nations like those like Brittian and France where the population is over 90% ethnicly identical, and who have different cultutal, economic and philosophical histories is disingenuous to begin with.Or to compare nations like Luxembourg and Portugal to the third most populous nation on this planet is absurd. We fought a revolution specifically to not be a part of Europe and to form our own nation. There were reasons for that. There still are.Considering 80% of our homicide is gang related and most of that is connected to our southern neighbor (which we insulate our northern neighbor from), this lie is particularly awful.Our firearm suicide rate is nearly 10 times higher.Again. Full stop. Completly disingenuous framing.According to google america has a 13.7/100000 for suicide. Japan is at 14.3, finland is at 13.8, Belgium is at 15.7, Lithuania is at 25.7. Overall europe is at 15.4. All higher than america's rate. If guns were the problem our number would be over a 40Women in the U.S. are 21 times more likely to be shot to death than women in other high-income countries, most killed by an intimate partner.But are they more likely to die over all? Does it really make it worse that they are shot rather than beheaded? Stoned to death? Or just beaten as in other countries? Shes painting a picture that is simply not true.21 children and teenagers are shot every day.False framing, an 18 year old is an adult in the USA, most of these shootings are gang related and would not be affected in any meaningful way by gun control. Trying to say its children who are the victims while lumping in adults into the numbers and ignoring that its mostly gang members shooting each other is disingenuous at best.The list goes on.Yes im certain she could lie to us more. Shes a politician after all.And while the majority of Americans — including a majority of gun owners — support sensible gun legislation, even the most basic proposals, like universal background checks, are consistently blocked by far-right ideologues in Congress who are bought and paid for by the gun industry, their NRA partners, and a supporting army of lobbyists and lawyers100% False.They are blocked by everyone who actually reads your proposed laws and finds them to be much different from what is promised or polled for. Meaning they are a defacto ban on any private transfers, which includes letting people borrow them at the range, letting your children use them to hunt, or even your spouse grabbing your gun out of the safe because a burglar broke in in the middle of the night. What is polled on and what is proposed are so terribly different that no one is willing to support the laws. and thats not even getting in to the overreach that is always included in the laws.DeceptionFaced with a complex and entrenched public health crisis,Health crisis? I thought we were talking about gun crimes, an inherent crime and justice issue. Not health one.Outright liesmade worse by the ongoing inability of a corrupt government to do anything about it,A corrupt government that she has been a central leader in for decades.it’s easy to despair. But we are not incapable of solving big problems. We’ve done it before.Yes through ignoring you and passing things like concealed carry laws our crime has halved since the early 90s. And continued to drop after we let the failure that was our last assault weapon ban expire.In 1965, more than five people died in automobile accidents for every 100 million miles traveled. It was a massive crisis. As a nation, we decided to do better. Some things were obvious: seatbelts, safer windshields, and padded dashboards. Other things only became clear over time: things like airbags and better brake systems. But we made changes, we did what worked, and we kept at it. Over fifty years, we reduced per-mile driving deaths by almost 80% and prevented 3.5 million automobile deaths. And we’re still at it.Absolutely irrelevant. And misleading. Many of those deaths were stopped by safety features like, as she pointed out putting in airbags. I dont know how you can realistically put airbags on bullets. Nor do i think it would do much good at 850-4000 feet per second. Safety features wont reduce non-justified gun homicides. Though it may drop the justified number a bit.In 2017, almost 40,000 people died from guns in the United States.Most by suicides, many studies have found that even removing guns does not stop suicide but rather merely changes the method. Not the result.My goal as President, and our goal as a society, will be to reduce that number by 80%. We might not know how to get all the way there yet.So you want to do something but have no idea how. Why are we voting for you again? As prior noted 2/3 are suicides, without addressing that you wont even start. Nothing you propose does that. And 80% of the remainder is from gang violence. Most could be stopped by simply enforcing the laws we have, stop pleading away gun charges, and focusing police work on inner city slums. But Warren and Democrats have, for decades, advocated against such policies and fought against them as racist. You cant fail hard enough to pass here.But we’ll start by implementing solutions that we believe will work.You mean by implementing the same failed laws like the 1994 awb which the federal commission found “no measurable impact on crime”? By wasting our time, money and efforts on things that do not work. At least the religious zelots are praying to something we cannot prove doesn't exist. When you are still worshiping these proven to be wrong policies, what does that say for you?We’ll continue by constantly revisiting and updating those solutions based on new public health research.So you admit what you are proposing is just the start and you're going to keep pushing for more and more till you achive youre adgenda. Sounds like you are advocating for slippery slope, not denying one.And we’ll make structural changes to end the ability of corrupt extremists to block our government from defending the lives of our people — starting with ending the filibuster.So you are planning on subverting the constitution, and silencing the people, because you dont like that they are stopping you from imposing your will upon the unconsenting masses? The president doesn't have that kind of power, and Warren is proposing literal facistic tyranny. America fight wars against that, not votes for it. If all were just that statement would have ended her political career.Here’s what that will look like.As president, I will immediately take executive action to rein in an out-of-control gun industry — and to hold both gun dealers and manufacturers accountable for the violence promoted by their products.Thats literally facismAnd you cant hold the manufacturer accountable for people misusing their products. Thats just crazy. That would be like holding GM accountable for vehicular homicide, DaimlerChrysler for drunken driving, and ford for auto accidents. You cant sue spoon manufacturers or ben and jerries for obesity.I will break the NRA’s stranglehold on Congress by passing sweeping anti-corruption legislation and eliminating the filibuster so that our nation can no longer be held hostage by a small group of well-financed extremists who have already made it perfectly clear that they will never put the safety of the American people first.Again the president has no power over congressional rules like the filibuster. the nra isnt even close to a top lobbying group, and they dont hire ex politicians for cushy jobs. Their power comes from their ability to harness and direct votes. No “anti corruption” laws will touch that. The people holding politicians hostage here are the voters. Thats called democracy.I will send Congress comprehensive gun violence prevention legislation.That will NEVER passI will sign it into law within my first 100 days.How? It wont pass. The president doesn't have supreme power here. Your cake is a lie.And we will revisit this comprehensive legislation every single year — adding new ideas and tweaking existing ones based on new data — to continually reduce the number of gun deaths in America.Again pointing out that everyone warning about slippery slope was right. Your just promising to keep banning more, and harassing gun owners till there are no guns left.Executive Action to Reduce Gun ViolenceReform advocates are engaged in a valuable discussion about gun reforms that can be achieved by executive action. We must pursue these solutions to the fullest extent of the law, including by redefining anyone “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms to include the vast majority of gun sales outside of family-to-family exchanges. This will extend requirements — not only for background checks, but all federal gun rules — to cover all of those sales. This includes:Again beyond executive action, harassing gun owners and not going to affect gun crime. Billy letting his buddy bobby borrow a gun to hunting with does not affect gun crime. And private sales are specifically protected from this under law. This is especially dangerous as a violation of the separation of powers and the power creep of the executive branch. She is an overt tyrant, she has no excuse, being a part of the government for decades, she knows what the limits of the office are.Requiring background checks. We will bring the vast majority of private sales, including at gun shows and online, under the existing background check umbrella.Copy and paste point gets a copy and paste response.Again beyond executive action, harassing gun owners and not going to affect gun crime. Billy letting his buddy bobby borrow a gun to hunting with does not affect gun crime. And private sales are specifically protected from this under law. This is especially dangerous as a violation of the separation of powers and the power creep of the executive branch. She is an overt tyrant, she has no excuse, being a part of the government for decades, she knows what the limits of the office are.Reporting on multiple purchases. We will extend the existing requirement to report bulk sales to nearly all gun sales. And I’ll extend existing reporting requirements on the mass purchase of certain rifles from the southwestern border states to all 50 states.And what purpose does this serve? Why are we wasting time and federal resources on this again. Are we starting another Fast and Furious scandal?Raising the minimum age. We will expand the number of sales covered by existing age restriction provisions that require the purchaser to be at least 18 years old, keeping guns out of the hands of more teenagers.All gun purchasers already need to be 18 or older. There are no exceptions. She needs to stop lieing. This is why no one trusts politicians.My administration will use all the authorities at the federal government’s disposal to investigate and prosecute all those who circumvent or violate existing federal gun laws. This includes:Largely beyond the federal scope of power. This is a state enforcement thing. And the federal authorities already do everything they have the power to do.Prosecuting gun traffickers. Gun trafficking across state linesGotta catch them first, again largely a state issue as the federal government cannot enforce state laws.allows guns to move from states with fewer restrictions to those with strict safety standards,Cant blame those who have the problem on those who dont. And you cannot restrict movement between states. Another violation of the constitution and other laws that she would have zero power to do. Further laws regulating grip style oplacemenet, and muzzle atachments aren't safety standards, they're pointless harrassing of gun owners.and gun trafficking across our southern border contributes to gang violenceIm sorry, isn't that what the government does? Otherwise why would we have had Operation Gun Walker sending literally thousands of guns acrossed the southern border to the cartells?that sends migrants fleeing north.That they walk thousands of miles through the deserts and forests that are the gangs territories entirly unprotected to get here. sorry that makes no sense. Our gun laws aren't harming other countries. Their gang and drug cartel problems are their own.I’ll instruct my Attorney General to go after the interstate and transnational gun trafficking trade with all the resources of the federal government.as opposed to committing this trafficking? A fine turn around of government policy.Revoking licenses for gun dealers who break the rules. Only 1% of gun dealers are responsible for 57% of guns used in crimes. My Administration will direct the ATF to prioritize oversight of dealers with serial compliance violations — and then use its authority to revoke the license of dealers who repeatedly violate the rules.Already the law, already the action.Investigating the NRA and its cronies. The NRA is accused of exploiting loopholes in federal laws governing non-profit spending to divert member dues into lavish payments for its board members and senior leadership. I’ll appoint an attorney general committed to investigating these types of corrupt business practices,Ok, so maaaaaaaybe a single point of common ground.and the banks and third-party vendors — like Wells Fargo — that enabled the NRA to skirt the rules for so long.And she lost it. the banks cannot tell anyone, not even non profits and lobyist groups, what they can and cannot do with their own .money its clear she’s just trying to weaponize the government against political opponents and any who dare to work with them in any fassion. Can you say tyranny.To protect the most vulnerable, my administration will use ATF’s existing regulatory authority to the greatest degree possible, including by:Protecting survivors of domestic abuse. We will close the so-called “boyfriend loophole” by defining intimate partner to include anyone with a domestic violence conviction involving any form of romantic partner.Um.. what nonsense is this? The girlfriend loophole is where the ex-con has his girlfriend buy a gun for him. I assume the boyfriend loophole is the same thing just renamed to try to exculpiate the woman doing the purchase. Either way its a straw purchase and unlawful under the law already.Reversing the Trump administration’s efforts to weaken our existing gun rules. We will rescind the Trump-era rules and policies that weaken our gun safety regime, including rules that lower the standards for purchasing a gun,You mean when he reversed the obama era restrictions on people whos only crime was needing help with finances? How dare the people use accountants and tax firms.and those that make it easier to create untraceable weapons or modify weapons in ways that circumvent the law.Again the law explicitly allows people to make their own guns. Its been this way since 1776. Not a trump era policy.This includes overturning Trump-era policies enabling 3-D printed guns, regulating 80% receivers as firearms, and reversing the ATF ruling that allows a shooter to convert a pistol to a short-barreled rifle using pistol braces.Our right to move data and information is enshrined in our first amendment. The atf ruling is an obama era ruling, not a trump policy. And making your own guns has been legal since before were a country. the misinformation is thick here.Restrict the movement of guns across our borders. We will reverse the Trump administration’s efforts to make it easier to export U.S.-manufactured weapons by transferring exports of semi-automatic firearms and ammunition from the State Department to the Commerce Department, and we will prevent the import of foreign-manufactured assault weapons into the United States.Wait, you want to make it harder for legal businesses to legally export legal products in a legal way to people legally allowed to get them in foreign countries?Fine but dont get upset when people rightly point out that you are anti-business.The shooting in El Paso also reminds us that we need to call out white nationalism for what it is: domestic terrorism.And the one in dayton teaches us the terrorism is as much perpetrated by left wing fanatics and spurred on by a one sided media stoking increasing political divides and glorifying violent actors like anti-faInstead of a president who winks and nods as white nationalism gets stronger in this country, we need a president who will use all the tools available to prevent it. It is completely incompatible with our American values, it is a threat to American safety and security, and a Warren Justice Department will prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law.Again its an equally large problem on the left as it is on the right, will you enforce this evenly on both sides? Your rhetoric makes me think not. These uneven rules and selective enforcement are why we have this problem to begin with.Structural Changes to Pass Gun Safety LegislationThe next president has a moral obligation to use whatever executive authority she has to address the gun crisis.You you've already delcared victory and proclaimed the next President will be a woman, not trump, becareful thats the same arrogance that put trump in the white house to begin with.But it is obvious that executive action is not enough. Durable reform requires legislationSeing as how much of what you proposed is either unconstitutional or misdirected i comend you for at least getting this right. Any change at this point will require legislation. And the population at large opposes yours.— but right now legislation is impossible.Because the american people dont want more, stricter gun control. They oppose what you are proposing and more importantly vote out those who push your policies senator Warren.Why? A virulent mix of corruption and abuse of power.Only if by that you mean its unpopular and people vote accordingly.Big money talks in Washington. And the NRA represents a particularly noxious example of Washington corruption at work.This oughta be goodOver the last two decades, the NRA has spent over $200 million on lobbying Congress,so… nra spent about $10 million a year… as opposed to:$95 million, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in 2018 alone$73 million, National Association of Realtors in 2018 alone$28 million, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America in 2018 aloneIn fact, Pharmaceutical groups together are spending heavily to influence public opinion and policy as rising drug prices become an increasingly mainstream political talking point. The industry claimed the top spot among lobbying spenders in 2018 — roughly $280 million — with no other industry coming close.$31.5 million Open Society Policy Center (aka George Soros' political slush fund) in 2018 aloneIn fact, Every firm in the top 10 has been around a long time with the exception of the Trump-tied Ballard Partners. The group took in more than $18 million last year despite being launched in 2017. More than doubling the NRA'S contribution.influencing elections, and buying off politicians — and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The NRA spends millions poisoning our political discourse with hateful, conspiracy-fueled propaganda, blocking even modest reforms supported by 90% of American voters.Fake news. already addressed. They dont block popular things instead they just incessantly point out your bait and switch on these things.In the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, the American people rallied for reform. President Obama suggested several serious legislative changes.Which even proponents admitted wouldnt have prevented the shooting.The Senate voted down an assault weapons ban.Because that is an absurdly unpopular topic and very few want another unpopular awb in this country. Knowing this even your fellow Democrats voted this down for fear of unemployment. again thats democracy.It rejected background checks proposal, even though 54 Senators from both parties voted for it, because of a right-wing-filibuster. These were the bare minimum steps we needed to take. And six years later, Congress still hasn’t done anythingAnd were rewarded by the public by being put into the majority in both houses of congress and the presidency not playing too well on your “its popular” argument.This pattern repeats itself throughout our government. When money and influence can override the will of a huge majority of Americans, that is corruption, pure and simple.I agree we should work to eliminate corruption. But you have just proven yourself unreliable on doing so by conflating the democratic process with corruption and declaring an effective non-actor the greatest villian of all time. youve been on the take from this corruption for decades, you have not a leg to stand on here.It’s time to fight back. I have proposed the most sweeping set of anticorruption reforms since Watergate — a set of big structural changes that includes ending lobbying as we know it and slamming shut the revolving door. My first priority when I’m elected President is to enact this package to get our government working for everyone againThe topic of the post was gun control. This is creeping too far beyond the question of the op.But anti-corruption legislation alone won’t be enough to get gun safety legislation done.Ok you aren't fooling anyone here. You can call it gun safety, but we all know it has nothing to do with safety. But rather just more gun control and gun bans. changing the name because people know what it means and genuinly hate it doesn't change that people hate it.After decades of inaction, Democrats have rallied behind a number of important gun reforms. If we continue to allow bought and paid for extremists in the Senate to thwart the will of the people, we will never enact any of them.Bought and paid for by the votes of the 1 in 3 americans who admit to pollsters have a gun, and vote accordingly?Enough is enough. Lasting gun reform requires the elimination of the filibuster.Because you cannot convince us to give you what you want, we must eliminate our democratic establishments and seperation of powers so you can just take and impose what you want? Thats whats known as tyranny. No thank you.Legislation to Reduce Gun ViolenceWhen I am president, I will send Congress comprehensive legislation containing our best ideas about what will work to reduce gun violence.You mean your ideas, they differ extremely from “our ideas”, and what the american population wants. And noting this I highly doubt it will work to do anything but ensure a republican majority in government for as long as we all live.It starts by ensuring that safe, responsible ownership is the standard for everyone who chooses to own a gun. We’ll do that by:Creating a federal licensing system. States with strict licensing requirements experience lower rates of gun trafficking and violence. A license is required to drive a car, and Congress should establish a similarly straightforward federal licensing system for the purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition.Nope. no way. ever. there will be no license to practice a right in This country. There will be no licence, and there will be no tax. You have already proven far, far, far too much bad faith to even ever consider this. No way. Ever.Requiring universal background checks. I’ll expand background checks via executive action — but Congress should act to permanently mandate universal background checks. And I’ll push Congress to close the so-called “Charleston loophole” that allows a sale to proceed after three days even if the background check is not complete.Again unconstitutional. And no f-ing way.Also THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE! Stop lying to us! If you need to lie we clearly dont want or need what you are trying to thrust onto us.Increasing taxes on gun manufacturers. Since 1919, the federal government has imposed an excise tax on manufacturers and importers of guns and ammunition. Handguns are taxed at 10% and other guns and ammunition are taxed at 11%. These taxes raise less in revenue than the federal excise tax on cigarettes, domestic wine, or even airline tickets. It’s time for Congress to raise those rates — to 30% on guns and 50% on ammunition — both to reduce new gun and ammunition sales overall and to bring in new federal revenue that we can use for gun violence prevention and enforcement of existing gun laws.So clearly people dont want this, its highly unpopular and likely unconstitutional. you cant get what you want through traditional means so you want to tax it out of our hands and keep it only in the hands of the wealthy. You cannot tax right. We will not tolerate this tyrany.Establishing a real waiting period. Waiting periods prevent impulsive gun violence, reducing gun suicides by 7–11% and gun homicides by 17%. Over the past 5 years, a national handgun waiting period would have stopped at least 4,550 gun deaths. The federal government should establish a one-week waiting period for all firearm purchases.So all this for 900 a year, which will probably just change their method, not results? I'll pass.Capping firearms purchases. About one out of four of firearms recovered at the scene of a crime were part of a bulk purchase. Congress should limit the number of guns that can be purchased to one per month, similar to a Virginia law that successfully reduced the likelihood of Virginia-bought guns being used in criminal activity.Citation needed, because this is bullshit. 9 out of 10 firearms used in crimes are obtained through criminal means, most through gangs waiting periods solve nothing.Creating a new federal anti-trafficking law. Congress should make clear that trafficking firearms or engaging in “straw purchases” — when an individual buys a gun on behalf of a prohibited purchaser — are federal crimes. This would give law enforcement new tools to crack down on gun trafficking and help keep guns out of the wrong hands.Already the law.Raising the minimum age for gun purchases. I’ll extend existing age requirements to virtually all sales, but federal law is currently conflicting — for example, a person must be 21 to purchase a handgun from a federally licensed dealer, but only 18 to purchase a rifle. Congress should set the federal minimum age at 21 for all gun sales.So we restrict the rights of adults, who are old enough to vote, enlist in the military and marry because? Because I dont think this does anything but try to keep people from guns longer. Its likely unconstitutional, unreasonable and foolish.We can also do more to keep military-style assault weapons off our streets. We’ll do that by:Military assault weapons arent legally on our streets. Only civilian weapons. Your red herring is poorly constructed.Passing a new federal assault weapons ban.Because the last one failed so well.The 1994 federal assault weapons ban successfully reduced gun deathsNo it didn't, by the comissions own admission it had no measurable impact on crime. And the first mass shooting you listed occured during that ban.but was allowed to expire ten years later.Yes because it was unpopular and had no effect.Congress should again ban the future production, sale, and importation of military-style assault weapons, and require individuals already in possession of assault weapons to register them under the National Firearms Act. Just as we did successfully with machine guns after the passage of that law, we should establish a buyback program to allow those who wish to do so to return their weapon for safe disposal, and individuals who fail to register or return their assault weapon should face penalties.No it should not be reimplimented. And the Hughes amendment points to exactally why there will be no registration. We remember the nfa, we remember the hughes amendment, we will not go through that again.Banning high-capacity ammunition magazines. High-capacity magazines were used in 57% of mass shootings from 2009 to 2015, allowing the shooters to target large numbers of people without stopping to reload. Congress should enact a federal ban on large-capacity magazines for all firearms, setting reasonable limits on the lethality of these weapons.And used in 100% in self defense situtations. Used by 100% of cops. Has no effect (it was part of the 1994 awb and didnt work, because the guns arent the problem.Prohibiting accessories that make weapons more deadly. Gun manufacturers sell increasingly deadly gun accessories, including silencers, trigger cranks, and other mechanisms that increase the rate of fire or make semi-automatic weapons fully automatic. Congress should ban these dangerous accessories entirely.Parts that make semi autos full auto are already illegal, accessories like grips or barrel shrouds dont make a gun more deadly and dishonest made up crap like this is why there can be no discussion on this topic. Stop lying and misinforming so we can have an honest conversation.We should also do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of those at highest risk of violence. We’ll do that by:Im listeningPassing extreme risk protection laws. Extreme risk protection orders allow families and law enforcement to petition to temporarily restrict access to firearms for individuals in crisis or at elevated risk of harming themselves or others. Congress should pass a federal extreme risk law and create a grant system to incentivize states to enact their own laws that clearly define extreme risk.And im done. No f-ing way am I letting you strip me of my rights without due process. The way these laws are made they are too costly, burdensome and unfair to the accused with absolutly no safeguards to prevent abuse. They violate every tennant of our constitution and are absolutely intolerable.Prohibiting anyone convicted of a hate crime from owning a gun.Already the law. Stop straw manning.Too often, guns are used in acts of mass violence intended to provoke fear in minority communities; more than 10,000 hate crimes involve a gun every year. Any individual convicted of a hate crime should be permanently prohibited from owning a gun, full stop.Except there arent that many hate crimes every year. Strawman argumentProtecting survivors of domestic abuse. Domestic violence and gun violence are deeply connected — in an average month, more than 50 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner. I’ll close the boyfriend loophole, but Congress should make that permanent, and expand the law to include individuals with restraining orders or who have been convicted of stalking.Already addressed this strawman paragraphs ago. There is no loophole, she has shelters to go to, and abusers of both genders are pieces of shit. Oh and studies have repeatedly found that women are the abuser 80% of the time.Securing our schools. Parents shouldn’t have to buy bullet-proof backpacks for their children — guns have no place on our campuses or in our schools. Congress should improve the Gun-Free School Zones Act to include college and university campuses, and apply to individuals licensed by a state or locality to carry a firearm.No guns on school campus since a 1993 federal law. It got 10 times worse since then, maybe we should look at repealing that failed policy, not doubling down. Also we shouldnt be depriving adults of Their rights just because they go to a place to learn. no dice.If we want real, long-lasting change, we must also hold the gun industry accountable, including online sites that look the other way when sellers abuse their platforms. We’ll do that by:Already addressed this, no, not gonna let you bog down gun manufacturers with frivolous lawsuits just because you dont like them and the broke no laws.Repealing the Potection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Nearly every other industry has civil liability as a check on irresponsible actions, but a 2005 law insulates firearms and dealers from civil liability when a weapon is used to commit a crime, even in cases when dealers were shockingly irresponsible. No one should be above the law, and that includes the gun industry. Congress should repeal this law, immediately.Again no, the manufacturer cannot be held liable for the misuse of their products. The same goes for every industry, not just guns. Not gonna allow the repeal here and would do nothing even if it was repealed.Holding gun manufacturers strictly liable for the harm they cause through a federal private right of action.Again no. manufactures cannot be held liable for misuse of their productsGun manufacturers make billions in profit by knowingly selling deadly products.Isnt that the point of a gun? Or a weapon in general. they broke no laws you cannt fault them.Then they are let completely off the hook when people take those deadly products and inflict harm on thousands of victims each year.Again not their fault criminals commit crimes and misuse their products.State tort law already recognizes that certain types of products and activities are so abnormally dangerous that the entities responsible for them should be held strictly liable when people are injured.Only when its built with a fault or flaw. Neither exists with guns. The bullet exiting the gun is the feature, not a flaw.Congress should codify that same principle at the federal level for guns by creating a new private right of action allowing survivors of gun violence to hold the manufacturer of the weapon that harmed them strictly liable for compensatory damages to the victim or their family.Again no, not opening up the door to frivolous law suits so you can sue out of business those whom you cannot ban.Strengthening ATF. The NRA has long sought to hobble the ATF, lobbying against staffing and funding increases for the agency and getting its congressional allies to impose absurd restrictions on its work even as the agency struggled to meet its basic responsibilities. Congress should fully fund ATF’s regulatory and compliance programs and remove the riders and restrictions that prevent it from doing its job.Because it has for too long abused its power and been overly corrupt and unaccountable. Have you forgotten ruby ridge already?Regulating firearms for consumer safety. Today there are no federal safety standards for firearms produced in the United States. We can recall unsafe products from trampolines to children’s pajamas — but not defective guns. Congress should repeal the provision of law that prevents the Consumer Product Safety Commission from regulating the safety of firearms and their accessories.All lies, there are safety standards. They're just in place for the guy behind the buttstock, not for the one at the end of the barrel For obvious reasons. Changing who has the power to regulate because you dont like the regulations (because they actually let things onto the market) is an obvious subverting of the law and consititution.Tightening oversight for gun dealers. Today there is no requirement for federally-licensed gun shops to take even simple steps to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Congress should pass basic safety standards for federally-licensed gun dealers, including employee background checks, locked cabinets, and up-to-date inventories of the weapons they have in stock.Wrong. Lies. Has she not a single honest shread in her existance? Gun stores have to keep inventory, immaculate records and thousands of regulations. the atf checks othese all regularly and with surprise visits.Holding gun industry CEOs personally accountable. I’ve proposed a law that would impose criminal liability and jail time for corporate executives when their company is found guilty of a crime or their negligence causes severe harm to American families — and that includes gun industry CEOs.Already the law, or else not compatibale with existance. Thise responsible go to jail. Those who arent dont. You dont just get to imprison people because they run a business you dont like. usipeTragedies like the shootings we witnessed in El Paso and Dayton capture our attention and dominate the conversation about gun reform. But they’re just the tip of the iceberg of gun violence in America. Everyday, we lose one hundred Americans to gun violence, with hundreds more physically injured and countless more mentally and emotionally traumatized. And Black and Latinx Americans have borne the brunt of the gun violence tragedy in our country.Again lies already addressed. Is she so uncreative that she cannot even make up new lies to ne debunked?In the past, those statistics have been used to justify increased policing and strict sentencing laws. Communities already traumatized by gun violence were doubly victimized by policies that locked up their young people and threw away the key.So now its wrong to lock up the criminals who commit murder?We’ve got a chance to show that we’ve learned from the past and to chart a new path. It starts by acknowledging that gun violence is a public health crisis, one that cannot be solved solely by the criminal justice system.Again no it is not, it is a crime problem. stop blaming bullet wounds on bacteria.We can start to do that by investing in evidence-based community violence intervention programs.Evidence based. In other words the exact opposite of what you propose.Federal grant funding today focuses significantly on law enforcement and incarceration,Because they work.rather than interventions designed to stop gun violence before it occursMinority report is fiction. We cannot see the future.. The data in urban communities indicate that the majority of violence is perpetrated by a small number of offenders,A small number of individuals who, if removed, leave the community crimeless. Yet you have worked to undermine the efforts to remove them and what is the result? More crime, more death, and the Marjorie-Stoneman Douglas highschool shooting. Your policies created our criseese.and many cities have found success with programs that identify those at highest risk of becoming the victim or perpetrator of a violent gun crime, then employing strategies to interrupt the cycle of violence before it escalates.Like they did in Marjorie-Stonman Douglas?Programs that engage the surrounding community, employ mediation to prevent retaliation, build trust with law enforcement, and provide needed long-term social services have been proven to de-escalate tensions and dramatically reduce violence. As president, I’ll establish a grant program to invest in and pilot these types of evidence-based intervention programs at scale.So we can have more mass shootings? No thanks.Annual Research and Annual ReauthorizationHistorically, when Congress works to address big national issues, we don’t simply pass one law and cross our fingers.Since when? Seriously since when ever? And why dont you take the results of those studies into account before proposing another, say, assault weapons ban?Instead, we continue the research — into new policies and around the consequences of our existing policies — and then come back on a regular basis to update the lawBwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Theres no way shes serious this basically never happens in government.We don’t do this with guns.To be fair we basically dont do this with anything.Not only have we not passed meaningful legislation in almost a generation, but thanks to the NRA, for decades Congress prohibited federal funding from being used to promote gun safety at all,Ok so… why are federal funds being used to promote partisan political issue that are unpopular?effectively freezing nearly all research on ways to reduce gun violence.Nope just prohibited propaganda. Research was still 100% allowedLast year, Congress finally clarified that the CDC could in fact conduct gun violence research — but provided no funding to do so.Actually that was 6 years ago, and they did plenty of research anyway. Including in the years right after the dickie amendment.This ends when I’m President. My budget will include an annual investment of $100 million for DOJ and HHS to conduct research into the root causes of gun violence and the most effective ways to prevent it, including by analyzing gun trafficking patterns, and researching new technologies to improve gun safety. These funds will also be used to study the reforms we enact — to see what’s working, what new ideas should be added, and what existing policies should be tweaked. And every year, I will send Congress an updated set of reforms based on this new information. That’s how we’ll meet our goal.And where will this money come from again? We have a trillion dollar deficit already.The conversation about gun violence in America is shiftingYeah, not in your favor though.— but not just because we’ve seen a spike in violence fueled by the NRA and the Trump administration’s dangerous policies and extremist rhetoric. It’s also because of the tireless work of activists, organizers, and community leaders who have been fighting for reform at the state and local level.You mean the big funded movements by dark political money, egged on by a one sided partisan media. And the “spiking violence” seems to be coming from left wing activist groups, dressed in black, attacking journalists, bystanders and everyone else they see. It's causing people to join the NRA and arm up.If you need proof that the majority of Americans support common sense gun reform, look at what’s happening in state legislatures and city councils across the country. Moms, students, and faith leaders have been packing hearing rooms and taking back spaces formerly reserved for NRA lobbyists. Survivors of mass shootings are doing the critical work of turning our attention to the daily gun violence in cities that doesn’t make headlines.And failing miserably to achieve anything of substance except create backlash.And it’s working. States that pass expanded background checks see lower rates of gun-related deaths and gun trafficking. States that disarm domestic abusers see lower rates of intimate partner gun violence. States with extreme risk laws have been successful in reducing gun suicides and have used them to prevent potential mass shootings. Community-based violence intervention programs are popping up in cities across the country.Which would be nice if literally any of that were true. But unfortunately the laws led no again measurable change in the crimes.Together, we can build on this momentum. We can build a grassroots movement to take back the Senate, eliminate the filibuster, and pass federal gun safety legislation that will save lives. And from the White House, I’ll make sure that the NRA and their cronies are held accountable with executive action. If we turn our heartbreak and our anger into action, I know we can take the power from the NRA and the lawmakers in their pockets and return it to the people.You lost senate seats because of this stuff. you have no momentum. the only democrat gains were made by moderates who opposed all of this.Warren is a fraud who went to college on a minority scholarship, and claimed to be native american despote having effectively nolineage with anytribe. This article is just more proff that she is incapable of honesty.Im just glad im finally at the end of the article. the bullcrap was heavy in this one.
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