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Simple answer is that the current violence and riot will not go forward for long. However, further anti-government campaigns are foreseeable, probably more violent. Pan-democrats winning won’t turn Hong Kong a better place, but more troublesome place.As I commented about democracy system in other questions that it has quite a lot of issues. The success of democracy requires quite some conditions or it is harmful to a country. It is not as beautiful as it sounds. Anyway. That is what people’s choice, prepare to take its consequence as well.Major Opinion Groups in Hong KongThere are basically 3 major opinion groups in Hongkong, activists, pro-democracy, and pro-china, where pro-democracy is the majority. Within pro-democracy, there are also 2 sub-classes, genuine democracy believers and anti-china gangs.Activists (minority, riot participants)Pro-democracygenuine democracy believers (majority)anti-china gang (moderate, riot supporters)Pro-China (moderate)Both 2a and 3 do not want riots at all.If you are interested to study further, please continue reading my understanding of the reason for majority pro-democracy.What makes pro-democracy majority in Hong KongThere is history background for the distribution proportion of such.When you have it, hard to let goHong Kong had been ruled by British for a century long. Despite there wasn't any democracy, no one dare to complain, due to fatal oppression by the British Government.In 1967 leftist riot, 51 people had been killed, of whom at least 22 were killed by the police, and 15 died in bomb attacks, with 832 people sustaining injuries, while 4979 people were arrested and 1936 convicted.Before British Government handed over Hong Kong back to China, as usual, British Government started to build traps for next Government, which is similar to India when British Government Colonial was ended, separating India into 2 nations and leave Kashmir as unassigned area which will serve as fire line for both India and Pakistan.In Hong Kong, British started to introduce democracy to Hong Kong few years before handing over Hong Kong. The benefits to turn Hong Kong into democracy administration are:attempt to setup puppet government orcontrolling/influencing new governmentuse democracy as weapon to attack non democracy new governmentDemocracy was promoted as the only best political system on earth, which is really a great thing for individualists. After receiving British “generous offers”, it is difficult for people to let go their individual benefits.2. Dark era of ChinaIn 1966, Mao’s Great Cultural Revolution did cause significant damage to China, destroying Chinese cultures and values, oppressed educated, ruined education and development of China.As results, many Chinese of that generation and their next are still under the shadow of Great Culture Revolution. These people eventually becomes anti-china group.In 1989, a massive student protest was taken place for pro-democracy in Beijing Tiananmen Square. With overwhelming western propaganda and twisted reports in this campaign, many were fooled that Chinese Government was brutally killing innocent students for being pro-democracy.Violence and damages protesters done, were hidden and trimmed by western media to direct audiences vision to believe that there was a massacre and brutal. Now, many further information can be found online to help people finding out the whole picture of the campaign and discover what conspiracy behind the campaign.Not many will go deep to explore the truth. Until now, many participated in that protest have realized that they were used and sacrificed for cracking down Chinese government rather than fighting for pro-democracy, and explicitly express their regret for participating that campaign, which was in fact one of the Color Revolution to crackdown a government by the CIA. (Please see my other answer in regards to Tiananmen Incident)Tiananmen Square incident has been used by anti-china gang in Hong Kong to brainwash Hong Kong people since then, and turned more and more people into pro-democracy and anti-china camp.3. Anti-china propaganda leading biasSince China was found, news and reports were basically negative on China, especially after participant of 1950–1953 Korea War against the US led UN army which failed the US to eliminate communist in Korea.The rapid growth of Chinese economy since open policy introduced by Deng Xiaoping in 1979, Tiananmen square incidence became the first large scale anti-china conspiracy 10 years after seeing China's rapid growth.Since then, shadow casting China and “Evil Country” was crowned on China. It is hard to find any positive news and reports of China from western media.I grow up in all these propaganda during my high school and university period. My understanding of China was affected until my mid age, when I studied more and more history and different views on major events, I discovered how I was misinformed during the past.It would be the same for most of other Hongkongers I believe. I woke up because now I interpret major incidences from intentions behind, rather than isolating and evaluating individually.For example, when British introduce democracy to Hong Kong, the timing is suspicious. 1989 Tiananmen Square, 1991 USSR collapses, 2010 Arab Spring, 2014 Occupy central, and today’s Hong Kong riot aren’t individual incidences. These are well planned campaigns in order to crack down current regimes.Current Hong Kong riot was started from proposing Extradition Bill in Hong Kong. However, it is used as an excuse to instigate massive protest. Even without it, riot won’t be avoided. There is always chances for anti-china brand to find alternative excuse to initiate anti-government campaign. Successful instigation of theae campaigns was assured by long term anti-china and China Threat propaganda.Democracy and freedom of speech were heavily used against Chinese government, while the government efficiency evaluation has been omitted. Democracy and freedom focus on individual value, while Chinese political system focus on collective value.It is easy to understand that individual value will be much easier for people to recognize instead of collective value. People care individual benefits far more than national benefits. This is why democracy is sweeter initially and attractive. Only when you can look further ahead to understand the long term benefits a strong country can bring to its people.4. Failure of Hong Kong Education SystemBeing part of China, the education in Chinese recent history, development and policies of China are hardly taught. Without proper and sufficient knowledge of China, new understanding of China is very limited. Most information about China were from western media, majority of them are anti-china camp.This is not difficult to proof by carrying out survey to see how many Hongkonger knows Chinese recent 100 years of history. I bet the proportion of lacking country history in Hong Kong is shockingly lower than western people kmowing history of their countries.I do not support political education in academic environment, but national history should be necessary for citizens to know and understand. History isn’t politics. It has no political stand.5. Failure of removing colonialism and rebuild identity of Hong Kong peopleMany Hong Kongers, especially non pro-china groups, failing to identify themselves. Calling themselves “Hong Kongers” is evidence, while failing to admit being “Chinese” is strong evidence.I can understand anti-china emotion. But, I hardly understand that being Chinese, how can you refuse to admit being “Chinese”. It is shocking to hear some yelling on Youtube that they rather be a fly on dog shxt than be a Chinese. How pathetic!If you do not respect your own identity, no one respect you. No one will respect one who betrays its ethnic.Hong Kong government failed to remove colonialism effects after took over Hong Kong. Many Hong Kongers are still feeling western superior status over mainlanders. This is typical post-colonization syndrome.6. Self esteem of Hong Kong people being superior to mainlandersBefore 1980, Hong Konger’s mainlander relatives were poor and low educated. Mainlander were eager to receive latest appliances and commodities from their relatives in Hong Kong. Wealth and education made Hong Kongers superior status in China.After China opened to the world since 1979, economy has been progressing at jaw dropping speed. People’s life has been improving rapidly. Wealth of mainlanders surpassed Hong Kongers approximately since 2000.Superior status of Hong Kongers is threaten. Seeing the shocking spending power of mainlanders in Hong Kong, mainly in luxury goods and real estates, jealous turn many Hong Kongers into anti-china camp.—————————————————————-I wasn’t plan to write these much. These are straight out of my head to explain why democracy is still major market in Hong Kong, despite months of violence riot in Hong Kong supported by pan-democrats.As mentioned, not all pro-democracy groups supports violence. So, I believe riot will not go for long.I am a citizen of Hong Kong, and my advise to people in Hong Kong is that social stability is always priority to anything else. Without stability, democracy and freedom won’t feed you.If you believe democracy and freedom will make Hong Kong a better place, you better rethink. Hong Kong will become a chaos land, a battle field for the US and China continuous wrestling for decades. The US will not suffer, China may have minimal lost. Hong Kong is the victim, totally lost and destroyed.Hongkongers, don't destroy your home for others. See clear who is actually help improving your home. Don't you believe someone has no benefits in Hongkong will help Hongkong sincerely?To Hong Kong independence dreamers, national integrity is inevitable bottom line of China. China will pay any cost for this. No one on earth can change this at foreseeable futureAdded 15th Dec 2019As predicted, HK isn't better but getting worse. The western appraised “pro-democracy” and Hongkong Bill did not help Hongkong.Armed robberies become “usual” in Hongkong. A jewelry shop get robbed in day time, under witness of many people walking by. The shop owned told that they get arm robbed 3 times already in this month. And, they are not alone. Some other jewelry shops having the same faith.This is a good timing to challenge the western moral bottom line.Eastern pearl is fallen in the riae of pro-democracy campaigns.

This answer may contain sensitive images. Click on an image to unblur it.No, it's probably the largest certified fake news in human history.By communism I allow myself to understand Marxism Leninism.Marxism-Leninism is the practical application of Marxism to the modern world. It’s the adaptation of Marxism by the writings and theories of Vladimir Lenin. It’s a universally applicable ideology and is by far the most widespread and historically significant version of Marxism. It involves:VanguardismOne-party stateCritique of ImperialismDemocratic CentralismAbolition of private propertyDictatorship of the proletariatBut where does this meaningless number come from?From the black book of communism, which attributes these deaths to communism:65 million” in the People's Republic of China“20 million” in the Soviet Union“2 million” in Cambodia“2 million” in North Korea“1.7 million” in Ethiopia“1.5 million” in Afghanistan“1 million” in the Eastern Bloc“1 million” in Vietnam“150,000” in Latin America“10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power"What's the problem?The problem is that the book, in addition to contradicting itself, also considers deaths in the war.The author had this huge obsession with reaching 100 million, so after shooting completely random numbers, he added 5 million deaths to reach 100 million.Moreover, the Black Book of Communism is considered by many historical propaganda.Whereas chapters of the book, where it describes the events in separate Communist states, were highly praised, some generalizations made by Courtois in the introduction to the book became a subject of criticism both on scholarly and political grounds. Moreover, two of the book's main contributors—Nicolas Werth and Jean-Louis Margolin—as well as Karel Bartosek publicly disassociated themselves from Courtois' statements in the introduction and criticized his editorial conduct. Werth and Margolin felt Courtois was "obsessed" with arriving at a total of 100 million killed which resulted in "sloppy and biased scholarship"and faulted him for exaggerating death tolls in specific countries. They also argued that based on the results of their studies, one can tentatively estimate the total number of the victims at between 65 and 93 million. In particular, Margolin, who authored the Black Book's chapter on Vietnam, clarified "that he has never mentioned a million deaths in Vietnam.” Historians Jean-Jacques Becker and J. Arch Getty have criticized Courtois for failing to draw a distinction between victims of neglect and famine and victims of "intentional murder". Economic historian Michael Ellman has argued that the book's estimate of "at least 500,000" deaths during the Soviet famine of 1946–1947 "is formulated in an extremely conservative way, since the actual number of victims was much larger", with 1,000,000–1,500,000 excess deaths. Regarding these questions, historian Alexander Dallin has argued that moral, legal, or political judgments hardly depend on the number of victims. Many observers have rejected Courtois's numerical and moral comparison of Communism to Nazism in the introduction. According to Werth, there was still a qualitative difference between Nazism and Communism, saying: "Death camps did not exist in the Soviet Union". He further told Le Monde: "The more you compare Communism and Nazism, the more the differences are obvious". In a critical review, historian Amir Weiner wrote: "When Stalin's successors opened the gates of the Gulag, they allowed 3 million inmates to return home. When the Allies liberated the Nazi death camps, they found thousands of human skeletons barely alive awaiting what they knew to be inevitable execution". Historian Ronald Suny remarked that Courtois' comparison of 100 million victims of Communism to 25 million victims of Nazism "[leaves out] out most of the 40-60,000,000 lives lost in the Second World War, for which arguably Hitler and not Stalin was principally responsible". A report by the Wiesel Commission criticized the comparison of Gulag victims with Jewish Holocaust victims as an attempt to trivialize the Holocaust. Historian Peter Kenez criticized the chapter written by Nicolas Werth: "Werth can also be an extremely careless historian. He gives the number of Bolsheviks in October 1917 as 2,000, which is a ridiculous underestimate. He quotes from a letter of Lenin to Alexander Shliapnikov and gives the date as 17 October 1917; the letter could hardly have originated at that time, since in it Lenin talks about the need to defeat the Tsarist government, and turn the war into a civil conflict. He gives credit to the Austro-Hungarian rather than the German army for the conquest of Poland in 1915. He describes the Provisional Government as 'elected'. He incorrectly writes that the peasant rebels during the civil war did more harm to the Reds than to the Whites, and so on". Historian Mark Tauger challenged the authors' thesis that the famine of 1933 was largely artificial and genocidal. According to journalist Gilles Perrault, the books ignores the effect of international factors, including military interventions, on the communist experience. Social critic Noam Chomsky has criticized the book and its reception as one-sided by outlining economist Amartya Sen's research on hunger. While India's democratic institutions prevented famines, its excess of mortality over China—potentially attributable to the latter's more equal distribution of medical and other resources—was nonetheless close to 4 million per year for non-famine years. Chomsky argued that "supposing we now apply the methodology of the Black Book" to India, "the democratic capitalist 'experiment' has caused more deaths than in the entire history of [...] Communism everywhere since 1917: over 100 million deaths by 1979, and tens of millions more since, in India alone". Le Siècle des Communismes, a collective work of twenty academics, was a response to both François Furet's Le passé d'une Illusion and Courtois's The Black Book of Communism. It broke Communism down into series of discrete movements, with mixed positive and negative results. The Black Book of Communism prompted the publication of several other "black books" which argued that similar chronicles of violence and death tolls can be constructed from an examination of colonialism and capitalismDebunking: “Communism killed more people than naziism!”USSRStalin was hit hard by anti-communist propaganda, especially by Robert Conquest, a British "historian" who was paid by the British Information Research Department (IRD) to create false propaganda.Robert Conquest dies – but his lies live on!But how many people really killed Stalin?About 1 million.death toll 2.pdfIt seems like a lot if we don't consider the fact that most of these people weren't innocent.HolodomorThe Holodomor was not caused by Stalin, that is a lie created by Joseph Goebbels, Third Reich propaganda minister.“It is a matter of some significance that Cardinal Innitzer’s allegations of famine-genocide were widely promoted throughout the 1930s, not only by Hitler’s chief propagandist Goebbels, but also by American Fascists as well.It will be recalled that Hearst kicked off his famine campaign with a radio broadcast based mainly on material from Cardinal Innitzer’s “aid committee.” In Organized Anti-Semitism in America, the 1941 book exposing Nazi groups and activities in the pre-war United States, Donald Strong notes that American fascist leader Father Coughlin used Nazi propaganda material extensively. This included Nazi charges of “atrocities by Jew Communists” and verbatim portions of a Goebbels speech referring to Innitzer’s “appeal of July 1934, that millions of people were dying of hunger throughout the Soviet Union.”-Tottle, Douglas -Fraud, Famine, and Fascism. Toronto: Progress Books,1987, p. 49-51Stop Spreading Nazi Propaganda: on HolodomorHolodomor was caused by the Kulakis, the climate, the Golden Blockade (western economic block) and various diseases.“During the 1932 harvest season Soviet agriculture experienced a crisis. Natural disasters, especially plant diseases spread and intensified by wet weather in mid-1932, drastically reduced crop yields. OGPU reports, anecdotal as they are, indicate widespread peasant opposition to the kolkhoz system.These documents contain numerous reports of kolkhozniki, faced with starvation, mismanagement and abuse by kolkhoz officials and others, and desperate conditions: dying horses, idle tractors, infested crops, and incitement by itinerant people. Peasants’ responses varied: some applied to withdraw from their farms, some left for paid work outside, some worked sloppily, intentionally leaving grain on the fields while harvesting to glean later for themselves.”-Tauger, Mark. “Soviet Peasants and Collectivization, 1930-39: Resistance and Adaptation.” In Rural Adaptation in Russia by Stephen Wegren, Routledge, New York, NY, 2005, Chapter 3, p. 81.Stalin needed to industrialize the USSR as fast as possible to be ready for a potential war, but had to import the necessary materials from the west. (WWII) The west imposed a "golden blockade" on the USSR, whereby the Western powers refused to accept gold as payment for industrial equipment they delivered to Russia. They demanded that the Soviet government pay for the equipment in timber, oil and grain. These sanctions were not removed the following years, and was a major reason as to the extremity of the Famine. The leadership of the USSR was forced to play by the wests rules.In April 17, 1933, the British government declared an embargo on up to 80% of USSR’s exports.During this time, the Great Depression began. In the US ,in response to the overproduction of grain, in particular, the government destroyed grain in large quantities, and immediately took grain from the USSR in payment for its machines instead of gold, oil and other much more necessary raw materials. Roosevelt, continued the policy of destroying agricultural products and reducing crop areas in order to raise prices to lower the severity of the depression:“Probably most deaths in 1933 were due to epidemics of typhus, typhoid fever, and dysentery. Waterborne diseases were frequent in Makeyevka; I narrowly survived an attack of typhus fever. “- Blumenfeld, Hans. Life Begins at 65. Montreal, Canada: Harvest House, c1987, p. 153“Their (kulak) opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000.Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941. […] Some [kulaks] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them.”- Russia Since 1917, Four Decades Of Soviet Politics by Frederick L. SchumanHere you can see Russian peasants who find wheat stolen from kulaki.But who were the Kulakis?The Kulaki were a peasant class born in 1906 due to the agrarian reform of Petr Stolypin.A horrendous reform, which did nothing but increase the gap between rich and poor.The Kulaks rebelled against collectivization with violence, the same collectivization that brought Russia out of thisto this.AMERICAN AND SOVIET CITIZENS EAT ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF FOOD EACH DAY BUTFor more information, I recommend reading the books of Mark B Tauger, a historian specializing in famine.https://newcoldwar.org/wp-conten...https://www.newcoldwar.org/wp-co...The Great Famine-Genocide in Soviet Ukraine (Holodomor)I would also recommend Dougles Tottle's book Fraud, Famine, and Fascism which also exposes the origins of the famine-genocide myth that is now propogated by many Nazis.Stalin, due to the Western economic blockade, had to remove Ukraine from large amounts to help the worst affected territories.Agricultural Adjustment Act - WikipediaHowever Stalin helped Ukraine.№ 144. Decree of Politburo of the CC VCP(b) [Central Committee of the All‐Russian Communist Party] concerning foodstuff aid to the Ukrainian S.S.R. of June 16, 1932:a) To release to the Ukraine 2,000 tons of oats for food needs from the unused seed reserves;b) to release to the Ukraine ∼3,600,000 ℔ of corn for food of that released for sowing for the Odessa oblast' but not used for that purpose;c) to release ∼2,520,000 ℔ of grain for collective farms in the sugar‐beet regions of the Ukrainian S.S.R. for food needs;d) to release ∼8,280,000 ℔ of grain for collective farms in the sugar‐beet regions of the Ukrainian S.S.R. for food needs;e) to require comrade Chubar' to personally verify the fulfilling of the released grain for the sugar‐beet Soviet and collective farms, that it be used strictly for this purpose;f) to release ∼900,000 ℔ of grain for the sugar‐beet Soviet farms of the Central Black Earth Region for food needs in connection with the gathering of the harvest, first requiring comrade Vareikis to personally verify that the grain released is used for the assigned purpose;g) by the present decision to consider the question of food aid to sugar‐beet producing Soviet and collective farms closed.-Голод в СССР: 1929-июль 1932Голод в СССР: 1929-июль 1932“The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.”-Joseph Stalin - From the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation. Fond 3, Record Series 40, File 80, Page 58.“In view of the importance of grain stocks to understanding the famine, we have searched Russian archives for evidence of Soviet planned and actual grain stocks in the early 1930s. Our main sources were the Politburo protocols, including the (“special files,” the highest secrecy level), and the papers of the agricultural collections committee Komzag, of the committee on commodity funds, and of Sovnarkom. The Sovnarkom records include telegrams and correspondence of Kuibyshev, who was head of Gosplan, head of Komzag and the committee on reserves, and one of the deputy chairs of Komzag at that time.We have not obtained access to the Politburo working papers in the Presidential Archive, to the files of the committee on reserves or to the relevant files in military archives. But we have found enough information to be confident that this very a high figure for grain stocks is wrong and that Stalin did not have under his control huge amounts of grain, which could easily have been used to eliminate the famine.”-Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933 by R. W. Davies, M. B. Tauger, S.G. Wheatcroft.Slavic Review, Volume 54, Issue 3 (Autumn, 1995), pp. 642-657.Soviet archives also show that Holodomor was natural.“Recent evidence has indicated that part of the cause of the famine was an exceptionally low harvest in 1932, much lower than incorrect Soviet methods of calculation had suggested. The documents included here or published elsewhere do not yet support the claim that the famine was deliberately produced by confiscating the harvest, or that it was directed especially against the peasants of the Ukraine.-Koenker and Bachman, Eds. Revelations from the Russian Archives. Washington: Library of Congress, 1997, p. 401Here is a quote from the preface of R. W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcroft's collaborative work The Years of Hunger Soviet Agriculture 1931-1933"In our own work we, like V. P. Kozlov, have found no evidence that the Soviet authorities undertook a programme of genocide against Ukraine.It is also certain that the statements by Ukrainian politicians and publicists about the deaths from famine in Ukraine aregreatly exaggerated. A prominent Ukrainian historian, Stanislas Kul’chitskii, estimated deaths from famine in Ukraine at 3–3.5 million and Ukrainian demographers estimate that excess deaths in Ukraine in the whole period 1926–39 (most of them during the famine) amounted to 3 1⁄2million."Thesis also confirmed by the journalist Anna Louise Strong, who worked in Russia and China.Q: “Is it true that during 1932-33 several million people were allowed to starve to death in the Ukraine and North Caucasus because they were politically hostile to the Soviets?”A: “Not true. I visited several places in those regions during that period. There was a serious grain shortage in the 1932 harvest due chiefly to inefficiencies of the organizational period of the new large-scale mechanized farming among peasants unaccustomed to machines. To this was added sabotage by dispossessed kulaks, the leaving of the farms by 11 million workers who went to new industries, the cumulative effect of the world crisis in depressing the value of Soviet farm exports, and a drought in five basic grain regions in 1931.The harvest of 1932 was better than that of 1931 but was not all gathered; on account of overoptimistic promises from rural districts, Moscow discovered the actual situation only in December when a considerable amount of grain was under snow.”-Anna Louise Strong - Searching Out the Soviets. New Republic: August 7, 1935, p. 356Anna about the harvest of 1933.“The conquest of bread was achieved that summer, a victory snatched from a great disaster. The 1933 harvest surpassed that of 1930, which till then had held the record. This time, the new record was made not by a burst of half-organized enthusiasm, but by growing efficiency and permanent organization … This nationwide cooperation beat the 1934 drought, securing a total crop for the USSR equal to the all-time high of 1933.”-Anna Louise Strong- The Stalin Era. New York: Mainstream, 1956, p. 44-45That's why the victims of Holodomor should not be counted.And the Soviets managed to put things right a year later, this to give you an idea of the strength of the USSR.This newspaper was published by Hearst as part of his deal with Goebbels to promote the Nazis. Hearst was also a Nazi supporter. The photos were found to be from other famines, one of them 10 years earlier. The “reporting” was fabrication. Other reporters that actually looked into it report that while there was a famine it was not intentional.“The CIA believed that Ukrainian nationalism could be used as an efficient cold war weapon.While the Ukrainian nationalists provided Washington with valuable information about its Cold War rivals, the CIA in return was placing the nationalist veterans into positions of influence and authority, helping them to create semi-academic institutions or academic positions in existing universities.By using these formal and informal academic networks, the Ukrainian nationalists had been disseminating anti-Russian propaganda, creating myths and re-writing history at the same time whitewashing the wartime crimes of OUN-UPA.“In 1987 the film “Harvest of Despair” was made. It was the beginning of the ‘Holodomor’ movement. The film was entirely funded by Ukrainian nationalists, mainly in Canada. A Canadian scholar, Douglas Tottle, exposed the fact that the film took photographs from the 1921-22 ‘Volga famine’ and used them to illustrate the 1932-33 famine. Tottle later wrote a book, ‘Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard,‘ about the phony ‘Holodomor’ issue,”Professor Furr elaborated. “https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/khrushchev-lied.pdf“In the last 15 years or so an enormous amount of new material on Stalin … has become available from Russian archives. I should make clear that as a historian I have a strong orientation to telling the truth about the past, no matter how uncomfortable or unpalatable the conclusions may be. … I don’t think there is a dilemma: you just tell the truth as you see it.(“Stalin’s Wars”, FPM February 12, 2007. At http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/35... )The Soviets managed to put things right a year later, this to give you an idea of the strength of the USSR.Maybe many of you want to attack me by saying that other historians say otherwise, well they are wrong.Apart from the fact that many of those who say that the Holodomor was a famine are not even historians but professors of economics, so I wouldn't trust that much.Many others, however, were bribed, one of them being Robert Conquest, who was paid by the British Informatio Research Department (IRD) to create anti-communist propaganda.Many others, however, are contradictory, like Stephen Koktin, who said that the famine was caused by Stalin but the deaths were not intentional.As anyone can understand this sentence it doesn't make much sense.He then says he has the documents confirming Stalin's involvement in the famine, which is absolutely false as I have already shown.The only thing Stalin did was to remove some wheat from Ukraine, that's true, I don't deny it, there are many people who say they saw the men of the NKVD take away some wheat.Too bad they didn't do it to eliminate 7 million people, but to save Russia from the Golden Blockade.As I have already explained, the USSR suffered a huge economic blockade, and if it had not paid a much greater famine would have erupted.And as I have already shown Stalin ordered to help Ukraine, those are his words, not those of a historian.When there are the archives themselves that confirm the theses there is no more to discuss, period.GulagStalin did not create the Gulag, they also existed during the Russian Empire under the name of Katorga.Katorga - WikipediaThey were created by Tsar Alessio.I'll tell you one thing right away, don't take Gulag Archipelago seriously, that book is simply propaganda.The Gulag Archipelago shouldn’t be taken seriouslyAccording to Solzhenitsyn's wife, the book was simple folklore.“In her 1974 memoir, Sanya: My Life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn”…, she wrote that she was ”perplexed” that the West had accepted ”The Gulag Archipelago” as ”the solemn, ultimate truth,” saying its significance had been ”overestimated and wrongly appraised.”Pointing out that the book’s subtitle is ”An Experiment in Literary Investigation,” she said that her husband did not regard the work as ”historical research, or scientific research.”She contended that it was, rather, a collection of ”camp folklore,” containing ”raw material” which her husband was planning to use in his future productions.”Natalya Reshetovskaya, 84, Is Dead; Solzhenitsyn's Wife Questioned 'Gulag'The Truth about the Soviet Gulag – Surprisingly Revealed by the CIAAccording to historians J. Arch Getty, Gabor T Rittersporn and Viktor Zemskov the victims of the gulags were around 1,053,829.http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY...number of gulag.pdfHowever, this number also takes into account the sentences not carried out and, according to the historian Austin Murphy, the victims were about 160,000.“Like the myths of millions of executions, the fairy tales that Stalin had tens of millions of people arrested and permanently thrown into prison or labor camps to die in the 1930-1953 interval (Conquest, 1990) appear to be untrue.In particular, the Soviet archives indicate that the number of people in Soviet prisons, gulags, and labor camps in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s averaged about 2 million, of whom 20-40% were released each year, (Getty, Rittersporn, and Zemskov, 1993). This average, which includes desperate World War II years, is similar to the number imprisoned in the USA in the 1990s (Catalinotto, 1998a) and is only slightly higher as a percentage of the population.It should also be noted that the annual death rate for the Soviet interned population was about 4%, which incorporates the effect of prisoner executions. Excluding the desperate World War II years, the death rate in the Soviet prisons, gulags, and labor camps was only 2.5%, which is even below that of the average "free" citizen in capitalist Russia under the czar in peacetime in 1913 (Wheatcroft, 1993).This finding is not very surprising, given that about 1/3 of the confined people were not even required to work (Bacon, 1994), and given that the maximum work week was 84 hours in even the harshest Soviet labor camps during the most desperate wartime years (Rummel, 1990). The latter maximum (and unusual) work week actually compares favorably to the 100-hour work weeks that existed even for "free" 6-year old children during peacetime in the capitalist industrial revolution (Marx and Engels, 1988b), although it may seem high compared to the 7-hour day worked by the typical Soviet citizen under Stalin (Davies, 1997).In addition, it should also be mentioned that most of the arrests under Stalin were motivated by an attempt to stamp out civil crimes such as banditry, theft, misuse of public office for personal gain, smuggling, and swindles, with less than 10% of the arrests during Stalin's rule being for political reasons or secret police matters (Getty, Ritterspom, and Zemskov, 1993). The Soviet archives reveal a great deal more political dissent permitted in Stalin's Soviet Union (including a widespread amount of criticism of individual government policies and local leaders) than is normally perceived in the West (Davies, 1997). Given that the regular police, the political or secret police, prison guards, some national guard troops, and firefighters (who were in the same ministry as the police) comprised scarcely 0.2% of the Soviet population under Stalin (Thurston, 1996), severe repression would have been impossible even if the Soviet Union had wanted to exercise it. In comparison, the USA today has many times more police as a percentage of the population (about 1%, not to mention prison guards, national guard troops, and firefighters included in the numbers used to compute the far smaller 0.2% ratio for the Soviet Union)."-Austin Murphy: ‘The Triumph of Evil. Chapter 1, pg 78–79In the gulags most of the criminals were not political opponents, but very normal criminals.Source: CIA “Forced Labor Camps in the USSR: Transfer of Prisoners between Camps”Here you can read American propaganda about gulags.http://gulaghistory.org/nps/down...Among other things, the Gulag were not extermination camps, but prison camps.The penal system administered by the NKVD (Peoples' Commissariat of Internal Affairs) in the 1930s had several components: prisons, labor camps, and labor colonies, as well as "special settlements" and various types of non-custodial supervision. Generally speaking, the first stop for an arrested person was a prison, where an investigation and interrogation led to conviction or, more rarely, release. After sentencing, most victims were sent to: one of the labor camps or colonies to serve their terms. In December 1940, the jails of the USSR had a theoretical prescribed capacity of 234,000, although they then held twice that number. Considering this-and comparing the levels of prison populations given in the Appendixes for the 1930s and 1940s one can assume that the size of the prison system was probably not much different in the 1930s.Second, we find a system of labor camps. These were the terrible “hard regime” camps populated by dangerous common criminals, those important politicals the regime consigned to severe punishment, and, as a rule, by other people sentenced to more than three years of detention. On March 1, 1940, at the end of the Great Purges, there were 53 corrective labor camps (ispravitel’no-trudovye lageri: ITL) of the GULAG system holding some 1.3 million inmates. Most of the data cited in this article bear on the GULAG camps, some of which had a multitude of subdivisions spreading over vast territories and holding large numbers of people. BAMLAG, the largest camp in the period under review, held more than 260,000 inmates at the beginning of 1939, and SEVVOSTLAG (the notorious Kolyma complex) some 138,000.Third came a network of 425 “corrective labor colonies” of varying types. These colonies were meant to confine prisoners serving short sentences, but this rule varied with time. The majority of these colonies were organized to produce for the economy and housed some 315,000 persons in 1940. They were nevertheless under the control of the NKVD and were managed-like the rest of the colony network-by its regional administrations. Additionally, there were 90 children’s homes under the auspices of the NKVD.Fourth, there was the network of “special resettlements.” In the 1930s, these areas were populated largely by peasant families deported from the central districts as “kulaks” (well-to-do peasants) during the forced collectivization of the early 1930s. Few victims of the Great Purges of 1936-1939 were so exiled or put under other forms of non-custodial supervision: in 1937-1938, only 2.1 percent of all those sentenced on charges investigated by the political police fell into this category. This is why we will not treat exile extensively below.Finally, there was a system of non-custodial “corrective work” (ispravitel’no-trudovye raboty), which included various penalties and fines. These were quite common throughout the 1930s-they constituted 48 percent of all court sentences in 1935-and the numbers of such convictions grew under the several laws on labor discipline passed on the eve of the war. Typically, such offenders were condemned to up to one year at “corrective labor,” the penalty consisting of work at the usual place of one’s employment, with up to 25 percent reduction of wage and loss of credit for this work toward the length of service that gave the right to social benefits (specific allocations, vacation, pension). More than 1.7 million persons received such a sentence in the course of 1940 and almost all of them worked in their usual jobs without deprivation of freedom. As with resettlements, this correctional system largely falls outside the scope of the Great Terror.Taken from this article which everyone should read if they want to know more about the Soviet Penal system.Great PurgesThe purges were not made to eliminate dissidents, but to save Russia from sexists, tsarists, Nazis etc.The workers themselves voted to condemn people, not the government.Stalin was a person with pure ideals, he was in fact against anti-Semitism and racism.“National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism.Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death.”-Joseph Stalin“Still others think that war should be organised by a "superior race," say, the German "race," against an "inferior race," primarily against the Slavs; that only such a war can provide a way out of the situation, for it is the mission of the "superior race" to render the "inferior race" fruitful and to rule over it. Let us assume that this queer theory, which is as far removed from science as the sky from the earth, let us assume that this queer theory is put into practice. What may be the result of that? It is well known that ancient Rome looked upon the ancestors of the present-day Germans and French in the same way as the representatives of the "superior race" now look upon the Slav races.It is well known that ancient Rome treated them as an "inferior race," as "barbarians," destined to live in eternal subordination to the "superior race," to "great Rome", and, between ourselves be it said, ancient Rome had some grounds for this, which cannot be said of the representatives of the "superior race" of today. (Thunderous applause.) But what was the upshot of this? The upshot was that the non-Romans, i.e., all the "barbarians," united against the common enemy and brought Rome down with a crash.The question arises: What guarantee is there that the claims of the representatives of the "superior race" of today will not lead to the same lamentable results? What guarantee is there that the fascist literary politicians in Berlin will be more fortunate than the old and experienced conquerors in Rome? Would it not be more correct to assume that the opposite will be the case?”-Joseph StalinStalin was not a dictator, he was simply the secretary general of the CPSU and could be removed from the party.Nicolò Piva's answer to Was Joseph Stalin above the law?ChinaMao did not kill 65 million people.Monthly Review | Did Mao Really Kill Millions in the Great Leap Forward?Reassessing the Great Leap ForwardApart from the fact that the Great Leap Forward was a natural famine (which did not kill 65 million people but 15 million, as the Chinese government of Deng Xiaoping and historian Leslie Holmes testify).This is nonsense invented by Dikotter which was highly criticized."Dikötter looks at China under Communist rule in a narrow vacuum, thus dispensing with the inconvenient fact that famine in this part of the world has been a recurring phenomenon, which Mao did not invent or even magnify."-Aaron LeonardPeople ignore the fact that China suffered terrible catastrophes at that time, about 100 million acres became unusable and in 1961 many typhoons hit southern China.China has a great history of famines, and it was Mao who ended this bad story.1810181118461849-of which 45 million died.1850–1873 - 20–30 million1876–1879 - 9.5–13 million1907, 1911 - 25 million1920–1921 - 500,001928–1930 - 3 million1936–1937 - 5 million1942–1943 - 2–3 millionMao increased life expectancy and decreased annual deaths.If you want to know more about Mao's reforms, I recommend Comrade Alexander Finnegan's answer.Alexander Finnegan's answer to What were some of Mao's best ideas?Godfree Roberts Archive - The Unz ReviewNicolò Piva's answer to What did the Great Leap Forward accomplish?CambodiaPol Pot, he was not a communist, he was just a madman.Pol Pot, unlike other leaders like Mao Zedong, was not a patriot, but a nationalist, and nationalism is incumbent on communism.Nicolò Piva's answer to What does nationalism mean?Patriotism is the love of one's homeland, nationalism is the holding of one's superior homeland.And since communism wants a society without a state, the two values are incompatible.Marx in his writings speaks of what is called proto-communism, that is, the period in which countries and money did not exist, in practice the Paleolithic period.What did that Pol Pot genius do?He attempted to deindustrialize the nation, so as to return to proto-communism lol.As to be able to see clearly this was not good.By the way the Khmer Rouge was founded by the USA.FRONTLINE/WORLD . Cambodia - Pol Pot's Shadow . Chronicle of Survival . 1980-1991: Back to square oneNorth KoreaThe deaths attributed to North Korea come from the Korean War, so the concept itself is wrong.Then it is wrong to say that those deaths were caused by North Korea as it was the US that gave Syngman Rhee a leading role.EthiopiaIt was practically a fascist dictatorship.VietnamSame speech as in North Korea.Those are the deaths from the war, caused inter alia by the USA.I will not speak of Latin America because I admit that I am totally ignorant of the matter.ConclusionCommunism did not kill 100 million people, but around 8/9 million.

Great question!Well there’s Lukman Sardi, Fauzi Baadila, Donny Alamsyah…Obviously you are asking about this “nine dragons” (sembilan naga) movie from back in 2006 right?Haha, just kidding. Let’s get down to dirty rich business, pun intended.Before I start, I think there are some problems with the term “nine dragons” itself:There was, and is, the usage of the term to refer to Chinese Indonesian conglomerates controlling the Indonesian underworld during Soeharto years, which Tempo has tried to investigate further (I’ll explain more, don’t worry).The term has resurfaced due to the recent nationalistic rhetoric of the Indonesian opposition (yes, thank you social media buzzers/50 cent army) this original term has been used too much in so many less-than-reliable news outlet… (definitely not the same calibre as Tempo, I’m talking about Piyungan, pribuminews, and all other online buzzer media)And here, the term “nine dragons” take on its own new meaning! Many now understand this term as richest 9 Chinese Indonesian families, who are theorized as being the financial backers of the Jokowi government.So then let’s divide this term into two explanations -The more factual “crime underworld” nine dragons and the conspiracy theory “financial backing” nine dragons.Let’s start with the OG, the actual thing, the crime underworld nine dragons.The term was first coined by Anton Medan, a former gambling house ring-leader. Anton Medan was interviewed several times by Tempo. He mentioned the name “nine dragons” when referring to the mafia ring centered around one Chinese Indonesian businessman who made his fortune in their dealings with army officials during the Soeharto years…And that man is none other than Tomy WinataWinata’s first breakthrough with the Soeharto regime came in 1988. Here he made contacts with several people from the Kodam Siliwangi (Western Java & Banten Army command) & the army foundation Kartika Eka Paksi (basically the official money-laundering scheme + “CSR foundation” for army officials during Soeharto era). They were struggling to keep its pet project Bank Propelat alive. Bank Propelat was supposed to be a “Bank Pasar” or a small co-op-style bank for SMEs. Winata saved the bank, took it over, and renamed it Bank Artha Graha (AG).Around the same years Winata with his newfound wealth also launched even more ambitious project through PT Jakarta International Hotels and Development, Tbk (JIHD.JK, a publicly listed company), and its subsidiary PT Danayasa Arthatama, Tbk (SCBD.JK, a publicly listed company). JIHD owns Hotel Borobudur, while Danayasa Arthatama, as its index name SCBD suggests - is the company behind the construction of Jakarta’s SCBD complex. Winata was definitely raking in money during the final years of Soeharto era. And thus also him and his cronies good relationship with the first & 2nd generation of the Cendana/Suharto family.Winata has always denied the existence of such a “nine dragons” group. However, the Tempo Group, which had covered him most extensively in the early years after Suharto’s downfall, was once sued by Winata for libel (publishing false statements that damaged public reputation). The editor-in-chief at that time, Bambang Harymurti, was found guilty and fined 500 Million Rupiah in 2004. However, this case was appealed and the verdict was later overruled.Oh also, just a random story. I won’t say where exactly but one time I was just having a trip in Sumatra. We were just taking fisherman boat and explored small islands in the coast. One point, the guy taking us pointed to one island that we passed which has its own pier and small villa and just said “that one belongs to Winata”.I remember asking “can we go there?” the guy said “I’ll check, but I’ve brought other people to chill in the pier before. Though if there are people there for sure we can’t.”And yes we did chill in the pier for a while… before we got kicked out. The guys in the Villas said “boss is coming later today, you guys get out.”Ok, that’s one dragon down. Who’s the rest? These are what Tempo has compiledYorrys Raweyai - probably the most visible man in the group nowadays. The current MP from West Papua is a long-time member of both Golkar and Pemuda Pancasila (PP), the Soeharto-era paramilitary “thug” organization. In PP, Yorrys has gained the confidence of the powerful founder, Japto Soerjosoemarno. Many also has yet to know that Yorrys is the son of Jakub Thung, a Chinese Indonesian who migrated to Papua and was hailed as one of “Papuan integration figures” (though there are not much records of what he did on that regard).Sugianto (A Guan) - named as the man who introduced Winata to the Kodam Siliwangi & Kartika Eka Paksi officials. Winata in his Tempo interviews even mentioned that Aguan is his “business senior”.Arief Prihatna (Cocong) - Another “old player”, some Tempo sources he was already in the game since 1975 with smuggling being his main spiel. He was also connected to Arie Sigit (one of Soeharto’s grandsons) imported traditional Chinese medicine business.Edi Winata - not related to Tomy in any ways (that we know of). But Tomy himself has acknowledged a close relationship with Edi. Several sources mentioned Edi was close to Sigit Harjodjudanto (Soeharto’s 2nd son) when dealing with Porkas (Soeharto-era legal lottery - yes, Indonesia had a state-sponsored lottery business back then! Take note, kids.)Kwee Haryadi Kumala (A Sie) - cooperated with Bambang Trihatmodjo (Soeharto’s 3rd son) on land acquisition, Tempo’s sources mentioned this includes property development projects in Jonggol, Sentul, and even palm oil farm in North Sumatera.Cahyadi Kumala (Swie Teng) - A Sie’s younger brother, also in the land acquisition business.Iwan Cahyadi Karsa (Eng Tiong) - player in PT. SAG, Artha Graha’s automobile dealer arm. Anton Medan mentioned him as being a high-end car smuggler/dealer, but also hoarded Timor cars to jack up the prices.Johny Kesuma - A Guan’s younger brother, head of PT. Artha Graha Investama. Basically Winata’s man on financial market & investments, which also had joint venture with Siti Hutami/Mamiek (Soeharto’s youngest daughter) in several firms.Now before all of you started to call me “conspiracy theorist”, I do need to make a separate disclaimer here -Please underline where I wrote that Tomy Winata & co. made their big money during the Soeharto era, especially from their dealing with either the Cendana (Soeharto) family or local military commanders (even Gen. Gatot Nurmantyo acknowledged Winata as “an ally who will deliver”). Also, 1 people on the list is apparently already dead now. So question of whether they still have the same influence as they did… that’s up in the air, nobody knows.But considering that both Soeharto family & Army commanders no longer have the same influence as back then, I take the conclusion that they are not as “deadly” as before. Reasoning? Winata was one of the main backers behind Jakarta’s skyscrapers ambitions during Sutiyoso years (2003–2007) and also the Sunda Strait bridge idea during SBY years. If he had the clout, he could have still pushed those ideas through (remember, in Indonesia: groundbreaking a project is one thing, completion is another story). But guess where those projects are now? Literally gone to the sea! (Ke laut!)Maybe even there is already a different kind of “dragon group” that controls the underworld dealings. Who knows? And with this, I 100% believe they are not supporting Jokowi regime like what the “buzzers” say. They don’t have enough influence anymore. Too old. Their time has passed.Now onto the more “conspiracy theory” dragons, the richest nine Chinese Indonesian families who are theorized to be behind Jokowi’s government.Well, just like all theories, there are many versions of this one! Some versions even include Chairil Tanjung (CT), the boss of TransCorp Group, even though he is the richest non-Chinese Indonesian in the country - which contradicts the nationalistic-sometimes-Sinophobic reasoning of the people who wrote up the theories themselves. Funny isn’t it.PS: Still, from some infos I do know CT & TransCorp has a close relationship with Salim familyHowever, even if there are different versions, I see several names have been popping up repeatedly in those articles - which suggest that they are the “core people” in this alleged group. Now these are:Riady family (Lippo group)Dato Sri Tahir (Mayapada group)Wanandi brothers & Jacob Soetoyo (through CSIS - a Washington D.C. think-tank and was one of the first foreign think-tank to operate in Indonesia)Kirana family (Lion Air)While all 4 of them have been recorded either meeting one-on-one or appraising Jokowi’s works, only the Kirana family has seen to be publicly in Jokowi’s camp. Rusdi Kirana, Lion Air CEO was part of Jokowi’s campaign team in 2014 and was then “rewarded” by his appointment to the Advisory Council (Wantimpres). Rusdi Kirana is now Indonesia’s Ambassador to Malaysia, and Rusdi even admitted that he personally asked Jokowi for the Ambassador position. Pre-2014, Kirana was also deputy chairman of PKB.FYI: Davin Kirana, Rusdi’s son, is also running as a MP candidate for Nasdem in DKI-2 voting district (Central Jakarta, South Jakarta, Indonesians abroad)… remember also that Malaysia has the highest number of Indonesian voters abroad globally, and Davin’s name has been shown in the case of 50.000-completed (tercoblos) vote ballots in an abandoned warehouse in Selangor. Coincidence?Alright, that’s a bit of Cocokologi/conspiracy theory pandering over there. But it’s worth noting.Moving on, the Salim family (Indofood) & Hartono brothers (BCA-Djarum) are also regularly featured on the lists, but there was rarely any “conspiracy evidence” on them.*conspiracy evidence: any real life action quoted by the theorists to be the one that proves the people’s link to the theory, or again in Indonesian internet slang, “cocokologi”Most of the time it was simply because Hartono brothers have been the richest men in Indonesia for quite some time now, whereas the Salim family was one of Soeharto family’s closest conglomerate ally.Other conglomerate families that I have seen on some lists include Soeryadjaja, Wonowidjojo, Widjaja, Poo, Harita, Fangiono families as well as Hary Tanoe.But again, these are all theories, am I right?