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I used to be Director of Section 8 Housing for a good sized city back in NY. . We didn’t have any City-owned Section 8 buildings, but had a very large Section 8 Program (before it eventually turned into Sec 8 vouchers)I used to get lot of flack from the Mayors I worked under because I would deny someone the Sec. 8 subsidy, and they would file a complaint with the Mayor’s office. This was before the days of cell phones, or even digital cameras, so I wasn’t able to provide photographic proof of why I would deny someone. But, like mentioned, I would inspect a 2 bedroom apartment, supposedly rented by only one little old lady, yet, the second bedroom had two twin beds, and closets jammed full of men’s suits, athletic gear, sneakers, etc, and the beds were rumpled and unmade. Or, going grocery shopping, and lo and behold, my cashier is someone who had just signed her recertification earlier that day that she wasn’t employed.Had to fire one of my own housing inspectors: he was acting as a rental agent on the side, while doing inspections as an employee of my office and saying the units passed inspection. In the meantime, he was filing paperwork with the Department of Social Services as the rental agent, collect the rental commission from them, and a service fee from the owner. Caught on to his scam when tenants started complaining about the conditions in their apartments, I would go out and do a supervisory inspection, and find that the place never should have been approved to begin with.Had one Sec 8 holder that gave 30 notice that she no longer needed Sec 8, because she just purchased a house. Always declared she had no savings on her annual recertifications, listed child support as her only source of income, yet somehow manged to come up with a chunk of money as a down payment, with decent enough credit to get a mortgage.Saddest thing about each case of fraud I detected and reported to HUD - got the same response each and every single time: If it is under $10000, we aren’t interested, it will not generate enough media attention. WT everloving F.My offices were in the same building as the Department of Social Services, and I used to go to lunch with several of the workers, and we would swap stories, and one of the things we all griped about was here we are trying to provide a public service, get verbally attacked, occasionally physically attacked (know a case worker who had her face slashed by a box cutter while just sitting at her desk, and it wasn’t even one of her cases) knowing that there was a good percentage of clients that were just scamming and milking the system for all they can get. We all agreed it made it that much harder to help the folks that truly needed a hand up, not just a hand out. Also used to annoy the smack out of me on “Mother’s Day” - the 1st & the 15th of the month, when I would see shiny new Maximas and LeBarons would pulled up, double park, the driver dash in, grab a check, and dash back out As I drove my 10 yr old Kcar……

Can my apartment property manager make me do an annual recertification report when I've only lived here for 8 months?

Yes, they can re-certify as frequently as every 6 months if they feel there is a reason to so. Read the 4350.3 for clarification. One reason would be if you appear to have expanded your household. Another would be to recalculate your TTP/50059 based on observations. Failure to re-certify when asked to do so could lead to adjustments to your rent based on lack of compliance and an eventual eviction. You are best to comply to avoid problems.

Isn't it rather odd that the management of our HUD apartment complex wants to roust us in the midst of a pandemic with an audit to see how much money we've earned in the last year, including interviews?

I live in a subsidized apartment with annual “recertification” requirements to prove that tenants don’t exceed income limits. They were still required to meet their obligation to provide recertification files on tenants for their funding agencies (HUD and other sources). If they can’t prove their tenants are still under the income limits, they can lose their funding. Apparently there hasn’t been a moratorium on recertification.However, they dropped off the paperwork at my apartment and let me complete it at home and submit it to a drop box. They didn’t require an in-person meeting. (Which makes me glad, because the office staff don’t consistently wear masks in the office and it would be full of snot droplets that could be infectious.)I would request that they follow a similar remote process. If they really need a “live” discussion with the tenant(s) I would suggest doing it via Zoom or some other video chat. (I’m assuming if you can ask questions on Quora during the pandemic, you have enough tech to do Zoom. If not, presumably you can at least do a phone call.)If you have any pre-existing conditions that would make you more susceptible to complications, point that out in your request for a remote meeting. If you are working at an essential job, particularly a customer-facing job, point out that YOU could represent a risk to THEM. Also, research any restrictions your local health department may have for workplaces. It’s likely the landlord qualifies as an “essential business” but they probably have some guidance for best practices anyway. (Such as conducting meetings remotely. You already live there, they don’t have to have an in-person meeting to catch all possible clues of a potential bad tenant.)

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