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Does Flatiron School prepare students for the usual highly algorithms based interviews?
The short answer is yes - but I’d like to caveat that and say that our main goal is to prepare you to be successful on the job. In our Full-Stack Developer program, we teach you the basics of computer science which is meant to help you succeed in a technical interview (including ones that are algorithms-based) and most importantly help you become a better developer, someone who is prepared to take on the challenges of today and continue learning the future. Because as a programmer, you never stop growing and learning.Having worked with hundreds of employers, we’ve seen many ways by which they assess technical competency. What’s good to keep in mind is that in the end a hiring manager is basically trying to figure out three things through the interview process:Will you perform well in this job?Could I/my team work with you every day?Are you smart? (that is, smart enough to keep learning on the job)To answer your question, there are three main ways we prepare you for a computer science/algorithms-based interview, which is a more traditional approach to technical interviews.1. Computer Science curriculumWe know certain employers will test job applicants about computer science theory during the interview process, which is one of the reasons we teach some computer science both during and after the program. For better or worse, a lot of that theory is more trivia than useful in any real context. But a large part of the value we provide is preparing students for these types of technical interviews and we have a solid success rate in helping our graduates find jobs. We also teach this content because we want you to know the theory that will help you as you grow as a developer.2. Mock interviewsThis method of interview usually requires candidates to code on a whiteboard. It’s somewhat artificial and a skill in-and-of itself - which doesn’t even get to the heart of whether you’re a good programmer and can actually do the job. That’s why the mock interview is really important. While all of our students practice their coding skills in front of an instructor as part of their larger assessments in order to move forward in the program, the mock interviews are a chance to get feedback - not just on how you think about code, but also how you perform in the interview context with someone you don’t already know. Do you ask the right questions? If you get stuck, do you have smart tactics for dealing with it in front of an interviewer? These are all things our career coaches help students with.3. Student projectsStudents create multiple projects throughout the program, which often become portfolio pieces that help during the interview process. Here are some great examples:HeatSeek - which measures apartment temperature and ensures landlords in NYC fairly heat apartments, especially in low-income neighborhoodsOctoMaps - a Github repository mapperFarmSquare - an iOS app that allows users to find nearby Farmers Markets as well as see their status, products, nutrition info, and set up a grocery listTypes of technical interviewsFinally, I’d also challenge whether the “algorithms based” approach is actually the most “usual”. Based on our experience, there are actually two other common ways employers assess a student’s technical aptitude - and our program will also prepare you for these:Code challenge - this will require you to go off and build a real feature in your own time. While this will show you what a real-world assignment might look like, there’s still some debate over whether this is fair to candidates. Regardless you may still encounter this approach.Pair programming - this is an agile software development technique in which two programmers work together at one workstation. This will show that you can work under pressure and also how you collaborate in a team setting, which is super important for a developer.If you’re considering applying to Flatiron School, our admissions or career services teams would be happy to talk in more detail about any of these points. Feel free to reach out at [email protected]
Have you ever been hired for a job that turned out to be a scam?
Not hired, but went to an interview that turned out to be a scam.Common scam. Basically, a company advertises a “marketing internship” on LinkedIn. Here in NYC it’s hard to find a summer job, so they get tons of applicants.The companies have websites and maybe a few Glassdoor reviews, and they have addresses that they conduct interviews at to make them seem legitimate.First red flag: I applied to several “marketing internships” at different companies, and within 24 hours I had 4 interviews scheduled.When I went to the first interview, there were TONS of applicants in the waiting room. I asked some people what job they were applying for, and many of them were there to interview for the OTHER companies I had applied to. Basically, all these “marketing companies” were really just one company working out of the same building under different names.A man named Lewis came and got me from the waiting room, looked over my resume and told me to expect an email that night as to whether I would be selected to move on in the process. It was a FridaySecond red flag: That night I got an email congratulating me and inviting me to a second interview ON SATURDAY…FOR five HOURS… they said to be free from 10 am to 3 pm.By this point, I and my friends were pretty sure it was a scam, but I decided to go to the “interview” anyway, partly out of curiosity.Third red flag: on the second day, I got to the “coworking” space (that they probably rent by the hour) and meet with my second interviewer. (The place is slightly less packed than the day before, but I don’t think it’s because they rejected anyone- people just don’t want to interview for a scam on Saturday.) The interviewer takes me and two others to a park in Times Square for our “interview.”The “interview” consists of him asking us a bunch of questions and having us write our answers down on notepads while he stands on the street corner asking people to make contributions for a nonprofit. At this point I’m sure it’s a scam.He asked us to come up with a business idea, gave us an hour to write about it, then he asked us the advantages of working for commission (red flag) and a whole bunch of other dumb questions that aren’t relevant to a door-to-door marketing job.Red flag 3: Every time I asked a question about the company or job he would reply vaguely or say “we can discuss that if you are called back for a final interview.” He told us that pay was based on commission and typically $700-$1200 a week. I asked him what the base pay was and he angrily said that could be discussed in further interviews.Red flag 4: For Job responsibilities, he said the first five weeks would be learning about the cause we would be fundraising for (unpaid, as I later discovered) and the next five would be canvassing on the streets, and “managing” new recruits. Basically, the way you move up in the company is by recruiting new people to then manage. Pyramid scheme, anyone?Anyway, the next time he left me and the other applicants to answer a dumb question I told them all it was a scam and then when he came back I politely told him that he should probably quit too, as he was clearly not getting fairly compensated for his time. He kinda panicked and “walked me” to the subway (presumably so that I couldn’t warn the other applicants throughout the park of what the “job” really was).One of my friends accepted a position at a similar company (one of the others interviewing at that building) and after she told me there was 0 BASE PAY, commission only, unpaid training, and the best way to earn money is by recruiting new people to work for the company, I convinced her to quit before her first day.Moral of the story, don’t trust a company just because they have a swanky address or decent online reviews.Search the ADDRESS they are located at followed by the word “scam” to see if they’ve done it before under different names. If anyone is curious, the company was called “ACT” marketing, and others were “ACE” and “Be Bold” as well as “Oui” and “Allure”. All scams. 333 W39TH STREET (in Manhattan) is the address they use. Beware.
What made you want to quit or decide to quit PhD?
I went into a PhD program in computer science at a top-20 program in a big state school. My goal was to land a tenure-track teaching position. I left with an MS after 5 years, after having passed my comprehensive exams and my thesis proposal, for several reasons that sort of coalesced around the same time:Main reasons:PhD advisor took off on research sabbatical to Europe and intended not to return to the university (though he did end up returning later). This was the early 1990s; there was barely email, let alone Skype or Zoom. I would have had to start up again with another faculty member, and there wasn’t anyone else whom I could realistically work with and actually wanted to work with, and in any case this would have set me back 1–2 years.Was two years into a long-distance relationship with someone who lived 4 hours away. We saw each other on weekends and really wanted to move in together. We did (and got married, had kids, etc.).Other reasons:Got disillusioned with low priority given to teaching: was given a 400 level Software Engineering course to teach, literally the afternoon before the first day of classes, essentially because none of the 3–4 qualified faculty wanted to bother teaching the class. It was against university policy to have a grad student teach anything beyond a 100 level course, so the department chair finagled the paperwork. Had a wonderful experience teaching the class but just showed the low regard given to teaching in science/engineering.Got disillusioned with the money-grubbing hypocrisy. Our lab was funded by “Star Wars” money during the Bush 41 administration, but my advisor (a co-PI of the lab) was a liberal Democrat who was against big defense spending and the military build-up while contributing directly to it and claiming that they were “only doing basic research.”Just could not get excited about the whole “get published” thing, even though I did get a couple of papers accepted in journals and conferences.Terrible job market for tenure-track positions: our department got 300 applicants for a tenure track job opening. The elite liberal arts college nearby got 800 applicants for a CS faculty opening, 200 of whom were already tenure track somewhere else. Our most brilliant grad students were settling for 3rd rate faculty jobs (or worse) on graduation. This was before the days when many CS PhDs went directly to engineering jobs at companies like Google and Facebook, or to startups; your backup plan to getting tenure track was a job in an industrial research lab at a place like IBM, HP, or NEC. This was considered “selling out” unless you hit the jackpot and landed a highly coveted position at Bell Labs or Xerox PARC — the only industrial research labs that you could work for and subsequently get a tenure track position at a university.So I left school, moved in with my wife-to-be in NYC, and built my career here. I took some courses in business and finance. I’ve done guest lectures at universities including MIT, Carnegie-Mellon, and Columbia. I am working on landing a regular adjunct faculty job, and have gotten published in a few peer-reviewed journals anyway. The only problem with my not having a PhD is having to answer occasional awkward questions about why I didn’t finish :-).UPDATE: I now have an adjunct faculty position at NYU. It’s great!
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