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Has a car salesman ever let you walk out the door when you couldn't come to terms?Yes, many times.Generally with the salesman making statements like “if you leave, this deal will be gone and you won’t be able to get it back” or “if you walk away from this deal, it’ll cost you $1000 when you come back tomorrow”.Every time. Every. Single. Time. I got a call back with a better deal. Sometimes I took it, some times I had already gone to another dealership and had purchased the vehicle at the price I was willing to pay.Story time:My wife and I decided our ancient, well-worn pop-up camper wasn’t what we wanted to go camping in anymore. We wanted a travel trailer with more room and features to make our camping more comfortable. We had decided to become glampers. After poking through a lot of different models and features, we settled on a specific model and set of features that we wanted. When we went to searching for one we looked for used models, but there were very few available and had to consider purchasing new.The brand was StarCraft and StarCraft only allows one dealer per area, so there really was no local competition, but calling around to the dealerships in neighboring cities we got a good sense for what the camper would really sell for. We headed down to our local StarCraft dealer and they had the exact model we were looking for on the lot. It was everything we expected, but when it got to talking about the price, the salesman would only quote the MSRP for the camper and the MSRP was $5000 over what the dealership in the next town was asking. I mentioned this and response was that as a salesman, that was the only price he could quote and if I wasn’t willing to pay that I’d have to talk to the sales manager, but he had gone home for the night. I set an appointment to meet the sales manager over lunch the next day and headed home.The next day at work I called the dealer in the next town over and asked him to verify all of the features and the out the door price. The salesman did me one better, he faxed me a sales order and said that all I had to do was sign it and fax it back to him and the camper was ours. I headed to the local dealership armed with the offer from the other dealer. When I arrived, I was put in a room and asked to wait. After 30 minutes I was needing to head back to work and went out to the sales floor to ask what was going on. The salesman from the other night said he’d have the paperwork for me in 5 minutes and asked me to just wait in the room. I went back and about 5 minutes later the salesman walked in and put a credit application in front of me and told me to fill it out. I told him I wasn’t filling out a credit application, I was here to negotiate the price with the sales manager. He said that the sales manager had left for lunch, wouldn’t be back for an hour, and it would take at least that long to process my application. I pulled out my checkbook and said I was paying cash, so no, I wouldn’t fill out any application for credit under any circumstances and since he had wasted my lunch hour, I was leaving.The salesman had a blank look and said he would get the sales contract as the manager had given him the bottom dollar. I agreed to wait for that. The sales contract he put in front of me discounted the price by $1000, but now the camper magically suddenly had over $1000 in add-ons like scotch-guard, upgraded wheels, UV protectorate, etc. I just shook my head and walked out of the room. I got the same old “if you don’t sign this the price goes back up” spiel from the salesman. I turned around and showed him the sales order from the other dealership that had an out the door price $5000 less than what they were trying to offer me. The salesman wanted to keep it so he could try to get the sales manager to match the price. I told him not to bother as I had a bonafide offer in hand that I didn’t have to battle for.I went back to the office and the sales manager had already left me a message and begged me to call him back, so I did. Now he was so apologetic that he couldn’t meet me because he had a family emergency, but now that he was back he could straighten it all out. He would match the price from the other dealership, but he couldn’t remove the added items because they had already been applied and you couldn’t un-ScotchGuard the fabrics. I told him that was unfortunate as I had a bonafide offer and was willing to drive 60 miles to get it, so he was again wasting my time.I ended the call and immediately called the other dealer to tell them I’d take their offer. The salesman asked if I had been trying to deal with my local dealer. I told him I was. He said the sales manager had called him trying to discourage them from selling their camper to me calling me an overbearing and demanding customer that they’d regret dealing with and that they had ultimately refused to sell me the camper. I was gobsmacked and asked what he was planning on doing. He said a deal was a deal, so it was mine if I wanted it. I did.At the closing table, the owner of the dealership where I purchased asked me a few questions about my local dealership. I relayed the experience I had and he confirmed that I wasn’t the first buyer that had made the 60 mile drive because of that sales manager. He then handed me a card with the 800 number for StarCraft customer service and suggested I may want to share my experience with them. (I did) Then he gave me card for 10% off of any accessories and service for the lifetime of the camper since I’d have to drive an extra hour to get to their dealership.I still make the drive every time.9/12/20 Update:Credit where credit is due. The dealership with great customer service is K C RV in Colorado Springs, CO. Still in business and still treating their customers right.

You are certainly correct about the do-it-yourself sites on the web. With very few exceptions, they will only end up wasting your time and (if you are foolish enough to provide your credit card info) your money. Of course, it doesn't hurt to enter your subject's name into Google, Bing, Facebook, etc. But none of these are built to locate people, especially people who have been "missing" for years and/or don't want to be found. Locating missing persons is one of our detective agency's specialties and I can assure you that none of the "real" methods you asked about are available to the amateur searcher. While I can't go into all of our tricks and techniques here, I can give you a couple of examples of useful tools we, as licensed investigators, have access to that the public does not."Credit headers" are the top part of an individual's credit report. The header does not include any financial information but does include such personal identifiers as full name, DOB, SSN and, most importantly, address. Every time a consumer applies for credit, takes out a loan, rents an apartment, switches cellphone carriers, etc., that "inquiry" to the credit reporting agency (Experian, Trans Union, etc.) requires the consumer's current address box to be updated. Can the privacy-conscious consumer lie about his address on his credit application? Of course, but that's a crime and, more importantly, he'll never know if the bank/car dealership/Verizon has approved his request if they have a bad address for him.What if your subject hasn't applied for credit of any kind in years? That's unusual these days but if that's the case, the "current" address on his credit header may no longer be where he is living. In this instance, we may look for his drivers licence. If you, as a civilian, walk into a DMV (assuming you know for sure what state your subject now resides in) and ask for details on someone else's drivers licence, all you'll get is a blank stare. We, on the other hand, by virtue of our P.I. license, can access a proprietary database that allows us to search by name for drivers licenses not just state-by-state but nationwide!As with credit headers, this won't work if your subject supplies a false address to the DMV but, again, this is a crime (ever notice how the second question a cop asks after he pulls you over is, "Is this your correct, current address?") and you won't be getting anything the DMV tries to mail to you, including that new drivers license.These are only two of the avenues available to a good, professional investigator. There are many more. None of them on their own is foolproof but taken together and analyzed by an experienced researcher, it has, in the digital age, become very difficult for anyone to stay off our radar for long. In fact, on missing person cases, we have a closure rate of over 97%!www.MillenniumGroup2001.com

Concur with someone else said. Get everything in writing, especially warranties or any claims for repair. Make sure it’s 100% legible. Make sure it’s signed by the proper person at the dealer. Keep a legible copy. Never give your only copy of something to anyone at the dealer.Listen for key phrases like “Base price” “Invoice price” “all applications accepted” or anything similar. Those phrases DO NOT mean what you think they mean.Never under any circumstances sign a blank contract or credit application. When I was in the finance industry this happened all the time. Make sure all applicable blanks are filled in and the information is correct before signing anything.