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Which is better a B.S. in Computer Science from the University of Michigan or one from Stanford University?
Glad you asked!I received tenure at Michigan (CSE) in 2006, and hold a visiting Professor appointment at Stanford for the first half of 2014, while also working at Google.Let's start with cold hard numbers.Topic followers on Quora:for Stanford - 37910, for University of Michigan - 8757(so, don't be surprised by the many upvotes for "Go to Stanford" ;)Bloomberg rankings: Top 10 Colleges for Tech CEOsStanford tied with Harvard for 2nd, while Michigan tied with Berkeley for 4th(Larry Page of Google, Dick Costolo of Twitter, Tony Fadell of Apple & Nest were undergrads at Michigan).Undergraduate tuition:at Stanford - $43K/yearat Michigan-Ann Arbor - $40.5K/year (out of state), $14K (in-state)(with the cost-of-living adjustment, Michigan OOS tuition is higher,although living expenses in Ann Arbor can be lower)Endowment: Stanford - $17B, Michigan-Ann Arbor - $7B.Both Universities have expansive (large) campuses near sophisticated university towns. Both universities have a parking problem (more so at Stanford), which can be solved by a 10min walk (or 20min at Stanford)Undergraduate enrollment: at Stanford - 7K, at Michigan--Ann Arbor - 28K.As pointed out in Dan Zhang's answer, Stanford engineering is 5 times smaller than Michigan engineering. In addition to CS/Engin, Michigan has a second CS program -- under Letters, Sciences and Arts. Also, Computer Engineering (not a separate program at Stanford), the School of Information (which recently started an undergraduate program), and CS-like programs at the Mathematics and Industrial Engineering depts. Even if we don't count the additional 25% of students with CS minor (Math, Physics, Business majors), Michigan has an order of magnitude more students studying CS, and proportionately larger career fairs. Aside from the much larger revenue stream and reinvestment into faculty and facilities, this is important to recruiters, as shown below.The Wall Street journal Rankings by Major based entirely on employer feedback ranked Michigan CS 3rd (after CMU and Berkeley), while Stanford was not in top 10 -- probably because of relatively few students produced. When I teach algorithms, students often mention that our homework and exam questions appear on job interviews (no need to take separate courses on how to interview). Michigan CS courses use unique and very effective infrastructure for software projects that other universities lack - we checked. The very best Michigan CS students make it to ACM ICPC world finals (including this year), and took gold a few years ago.Among classic CS researchers who were Michigan undergrads: Claude Shannon (information theory), Stephen Cook (NP-completeness, P vs NP), Bernie Galler (ACM President) and Fran Allen (first female Turing Award winner).The differences in ranking, perception and various wholesale numbers are dwarved by the significance of your own academic performance, accomplishments and connections. To this end, Michigan CS programs give you flexibility - the two CS programs are quite different, not to mention other related programs. Michigan produces and places a lot more CS graduates than Stanford, hence better networking opportunities, especially beyond the Silicon Valley. I doubt that Stanford has anything like MHacks - the largest hackathon in the US, with students coming from CMU, Illinois, Berkeley, GA Tech, Purdue, Maryland, and so on. While Stanford is in the Silicon Valley, the Silicon Valley comes to Ann Arbor's huge career fairs to hire students (Facebook doubled their target for Michigan interns last summer). And not only the Silicon Valley - Seattle, Austin, NYC, Chicago, etc. There is also significant VC activity in Ann Arbor, including start-up incubators in downtown - to paraphrase Jessica Su, they are only open to Michigan students. Major automotive companies, including German, Korean and Japanese, have research labs not far from Ann Arbor.The two CS programs at Michigan are on a steep upward trajectory. CS is the most popular major in the College of Engineering and also hugely popular in LSA (Psychology is larger so far) - this brings in high-quality students. Most of the CS faculty at Michigan are young or mid-career, working in hot new areas.Michigan has more diverse and accessible faculty. For every Andrew Ng at Stanford, we have a Honglak Lee (Andrew's first Ph.D. student). But I can't think of a Stanford professor who would match Alex Halderman. Both Michigan and Stanford employ faculty who graduated from the other university, although recent hiring at Michigan has been biased toward Princeton graduates. Professors at Michigan do more research with undergraduates than Professors at Stanford (e.g., I just published two conference papers with only undergrads).Ann Arbor is growing quickly --- more industry in and around (than 5 years ago), many new buildings in the downtown, new infrastructure (parking lots, grocery stores, bus terminals, bridges) --- but still very affordable due to a temporary oversupply of residential housing. While Stanford is connected to the Silicon Valley, the University of Michigan is connected to the (reinvigorated) automotive industry (Ford, General Motors and Chrysler are just an hour away) -- a new car has >100 microprocessors and more software than an iPhone. Ann Arbor is at least as interesting as Palo Alto, but of course, San Francisco is more fun than Detroit on Saturday night, even at half the size.Both Michigan and Stanford graduates are heavily represented in the Silicon Valley. Michigan graduates are also heavily represented in the Silicon Hills in Austin, in NYC (financial industry), Seattle (Microsoft and Amazon), Portland, OR (Intel, Mentor Graphics, etc), Chicago (financial industry) and throughout the Midwest. If you are comparing Michigan and Stanford from the perspective of employers, they are close enough that your academic performance matters a lot more than your affiliation. The location is also less significant than it may seem because of the huge job fairs in Ann Arbor, where you see every major company represented, and many start-ups. Ann Arbor is 25 mins away from a major hub of Delta Airlines (DTW), which is <2hrs away from the each coast, so many companies from outside Silicon Valley come to Ann Arbor to hire. Google and several other companies have significant presence in downtown.Graduate school prospects are good for both Michigan and Stanford students.Our former undergrads are doing well in our graduate programs, and also at Stanford, Berkeley, UT Austin, etc. One of the undergrads who published with me in the past just started as an assistant prof at Berkeley (after having done a Math PhD at Princeton). Again, your personal accomplishments make all the difference when you apply to graduate school.Being a large state school, Michigan admits a nontrivial number of mediocre students, who "pull down the average". This poses some challenges for professors, but we have structured our CS programs to challenge even the best students, while weak and mediocre students still learn something. I recall students taking Algorithms and Data Structures three times; some passed and learned a lot, and some didn't pass - we do not compromise the quality of education. Perhaps, "the tail" is less of a problem at Stanford. On the other hand, Michigan has an unusually large number of out-of-state students (for a state school). In particular, in the last 5-6 years we are seeing a stream of very strong and motivated undergraduates from China (thanks to an agreement with Shanghai Jiaotong U.), who are making our courses much more competitive at the high end. Out-of-state tuition at Michigan is within 10% from Stanford tuition in absolute terms, but would be greater if you adjust for the cost of living. Needless to say, out-of-state admissions at Michigan are very competitive.In case you care about the weather, Michigan has all four seasons, whereas the weather in Palo Alto changes a lot less. Stanford sports don't quite match Michigan sports :) But there's no good downhill skiing (comparable to Lake Tahoe) anywhere in Southeast Michigan, nearby Indiana or Ohio.Both Stanford and the U of M excel across the board - Engineering, Sciences, Business, Law, Medicine, Arts, Education. There aren't many universities like this in the US. For example, most universities ranked high in CS do not have medical schools (MIT, CMU), which is why Berkeley is collaborating with UCSF across campuses.On the balance, the comparison of undergraduate programs is not as clear-cut as the answers from Stanford claim. Depending on your preferences, Michigan or Stanford may be the better choice.
How do you get people to try magnesium when they say they have to ask their doctors first and most doctors don't know about magnesium, otherwise they would already have their patient on it?
Updated - 7.2.19How do you get people to try magnesium when they say they have to ask their doctors first and most doctors don't know about magnesium, otherwise they would already have their patient on it?Disclaimer - these days, it is most ESSENTIAL for the General Public to use their Best Judgement and Informed Opinions, when having discussions about OTC (over-the-counter) Co-factors, Minerals, Substances, and Supplements, like the ones with “As Seen On TV” type of Marketing.Caution should be enabled when anyone is advancing any solitary OTC, as a “Miracle Cure All”.Magnesium is an essential Electrolyte, and just one in a Family of other Electrolytes like, Calcium, Potassium, Sodium, and Chloride.The Effect of Magnesium on Human Physiology at the Level of the Cell Wall, the Mitochondria, and Renal Function is COMPLEX.And, must be Comprehended and clearly Understood in states where there is either a Deficiency, or, an Overdose, or, when there is an “off-label” use for it.If you had upper-level 3000 or 4000 classes, in Bio-chemistry, Molecular Biology & Physiology, in your 4th or 5th year at University; then, you will most likely follow the Rationale and Common Sense in this discussion.If you are Not the Science-type of person, then the rest of us with backgrounds in STEM, will be most happy to share some basic science principles with you, and it’s not a problem.This is my response to question number #2 below, as I have read 100’s of Q2A’s that are/were posted by people that either had no educational background, or very little, and/or, with Radical idea’s and a POV that every word that leaves their mouth is truth. It’s Not.This is two different question’s, so I’ll break it into two, like :How do you get people to try magnesium when they say they have to ask their doctors first? andMost doctors don't know about magnesium, otherwise they would already have their patient on it?First, advanced experience with Electrolytes is based almost entirely on my sports medicine, rehab med experiences, as well as, advanced training in IVMT sports protocol’s; since most of my clients in Hawaii, cover the full spectrum of sports activities, including IronMan Triathlon’s, and Native Hawaiian Long Distance Canoe journey’s. I specifically use Pharmaceutical-Grade Electrolytes, in my IVMT protocol’s.Electrolytes = serum levels of Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Sodium, Zinc, etc.Magnesium / OTC - available in OTC Oral Forms (Magnesium > Citrate, taurate, malate, glycinate, chloride, carbonate, orotate & L-Threonate, etc). They all have specific and non-specific actions.Recommend that anyone considering any of these Mag Forms, to research them completely.The “best” Oral / OTC Forms of Magnesium recommended by popular health magazines and sites are “Chelated” forms, which I do not use in my IVMT.THERE are also Other OTC ORAL Forms (non-chelated) that are and also not recommended, according to health-wellness sites.Pharmaceutical-Grade Magnesium - is available to Physician’s as Injectable / IV forms. Not going into all of it’s uses. That’s a different work shop class.Pharmaceutical-Grade Magnesium II - is available to the Public in powder form.…Clinical Laboratory Magnesium level range - 1.5 - 2.5 mg/dl, depending on the lab. For example, Mayo Medical Laboratories uses the range of 1.7 - 2.3 mg/dl.Routine Chemistry Panels - Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Phosphorus, Vitamin D, and Zinc levels, are NOT included, so they have to be ordered specifically.Before starting Magnesium supplementation via IVMT, and/or, Oral - a BASELINE Serum lab test for Magnesium should be ordered, along with Calcium, Potassium, Phosphorus testing, to monitor calcium supplementation.Post-Supplementation Monitoring - Repeat Magnesium and Calcium serum levels, at appropriate intervals.…For Q#1 - Really depends on your Age, Health & Medical & Mental health condition, Active or Non-active Life-style, Current List of Medications, etc.Communication with your PCP or specialist is a Key, if you are planning to take ANY Supplements. While, the best form of OTC Magnesium, may seem safe or innocuous at first.Pharmacists - may also be an excellent resource, as they may already have a good working relationship with your PCP.Let’s take “Mag Citrate” as a popular Example - because it’s used often as a mild laxative :Overdose Symptoms - An overdose of magnesium citrate and other magnesium-containing laxatives can cause gastrointestinal problems including gastrointestinal irritation, abdominal pain, vomiting and watery diarrhea as well as painful bowel movements and urination, experts from the United States National Institutes of Health explain. You may also experience lowered blood pressure, slowed breathing and flushed skin. In severe cases of magnesium citrate overdose, coma and death can result.Potential Side Effects - In some people, even the typical recommended dosage of magnesium citrate may cause adverse reactions that resemble overdose symptoms. You may experience mild side effects like upset stomach, diarrhea, dizziness or sweating. If the reactions you experience are mild, you can continue taking magnesium citrate as directed, but talk to your health care provider about your symptoms. Loss of normal bowel function is a possible side effect of long-term magnesium citrate use and also something to discuss with a health care provider. Symptoms of allergic reaction include trouble breathing, swelling of your lips and tongue, tightening of your throat or hives. These symptoms require emergency medical attention.For Q#2 - This question is completely “Off The Rails”, as there nothing True about it, and smack’s of pure ignorance, regarding any higher-learning institution often-ed referred to as a Stanford, or UCSF, or Yale, or Harvard, or Johns Hopkins - University School of Medicine, where as a MS1, you are introduced to one of many Medical Science System Class’s / Lab’s, in the likes of Grad-Level Bio-chemistry, Physiology, Pharmacy, etc, etc., etc., a space where mere Mortal’s only whimper. sic.Pharmacists - may also be an excellent resource, as they may already have a good working relationship with your PCP.NOT health-food store 22 yo munchkin’s, whose Primary Purpose is to Sell, Sell, Sell, and Sell … Most are trained off a written script, so that they sound “like Expert’s” of Bio-chemistry, Physiology, Pharmacy. THEY Are Not Experts, Nor Pharmacists … Good salesman, maybe or yes … SCIENCE Experts … that’s a definite N- O.TBC …
Is Silicon Valley a good place to raise children? Why?
I'm going to approach this from the perspective of a teenager that's currently growing up in Palo Alto. I attend Palo Alto High School. There are many Pros and many Cons.Pros:Great weather (according to most). Although I personally would have loved to grow up in an area where there are actual seasons, the weather here is pretty darn good. It's always pretty warm. It doesn't snow, and it doesn't rain much.It's very safe. There isn't much crime (at least, compared to other areas). It's the type of environment where you could [mostly] trust your child to walk around and explore on their own.The community is very accepting of LGBTs. While there is a lot of things we aren't as accepting of, Palo Alto is extremely liberal, and so it makes sense that it reflects a very socially liberal viewpoint.Kids don't worry as much about being popular. While almost every teenager makes an effort to fit in, Palo Alto doesn't really have popular kids. Maybe it's that high schools in general aren't at all like what they're reflected to be like on tv, or maybe it can be credited to Palo Alto's uniqueness, but the high schools in the area don't really have many cliques. They do however, worry about not being smart enough (being a nerd is cool here!)Kids here value hard work. While below I did make the case that many of us are spoiled, I feel as if it's a different type of spoiled then what's usually meant. Sure, we live in an area where people make a lot of money, but every single one of those people worked hard for their money. We are surrounded by people who put in the time, effort, and dedication to get to where they are - they weren't handed any money, they earned it. Living in Palo Alto may have influenced us to like nice things, but it's also influenced us to pursue our dreams. I'm almost positive that every one of my friends would choose to work (even if they didn't need to), because we're ambitious people. We have huge career goals for ourselves and we will stop nowhere short of accomplishing them. Not every teenager gets their own iPhone and laptop, but at the same time, the average teenager comes nowhere near to exhibiting the level of hard work and dedication that a Palo Alto teen does.You're surrounded by brilliant and innovative people. Most people surrounding you are very smart and educated. Kids that grow up here have very high educational standards. They strive to be the very best, and while many times that leads to unbearable stress, it also leads to incredibly innovative and intelligent teenagers.The public schools have great resources. The public schools are well funded and offer many classes. Note that I didn't say the public schools offer a good education (will be discussed in the cons)...There are plenty of extra curricular opportunities. This is especially true for people interested in STEM based jobs. Plenty teens have internships at UCSF and Stanford. There are also plenty of other programs in the area; Stanford has a few summer programs and internship availabilities for teens interested in scientific research and medicine. Silicon Valley is also very active and many kids participate in club sports.Cons:Everyone buys into stereotypes. As Emilya Burd mentioned, if you're Asian or Indian, everyone expects you to be smart. To the point where everyone (even parents) are in shock if asians/indians aren't at least in the highest math/science lanes, or even a year ahead. If you're white, you have to prove that you are smart. Worst of all, if you're of a minority (black, hispanic), people automatically assume that you aren't smart. I recently overheard a girl exclaiming how surprised she was that an African American girl was in the highest math and science lanes. She was genuinely shocked.The public schools aren't great. You hear a lot of good things about the public schools in the Bay Area - they're well ranked and the students go on to do amazing things. However, I would say that most of the students' successes come from their own merit, not the schools they attend or the teachers they have. As many of the students are naturally smart and come from families that expect a lot from them, they do well in high school. Teachers take this as an excuse to rely on iPads and self-learning - they barely teach (or at least, they don't teach well) and they never get confronted for it because just enough students do well that their failures as teachers go unnoticed. This is one of the major causes for the divide between the wealthy and the not so wealthy; the teachers "teach" to the students that have tutors. If a student isn't receiving "extra help," they won't succeed.It is VERY stressful. Going to high school here is EXTREMELY difficult academically, and causes the teenagers here an immense amount of stress. The standard at Palo Alto schools is very high. People that would be top of their class at any other school, are completely lost in the middle. They sometimes barely even make the top 20% of their class. It makes you feel pretty worthless. You work your butt off and yet there will always be a ridiculous amount of people that are way better than you are. I'm talking about people that are taking multivariable calculus as freshman. People that got 2300s (or higher) on the SAT in 7th grade. People that went to your middle school, and yet somehow now attend a world class university such as Berkeley or Stanford (at the age of 14). These are teenagers whose parents made them take all of the AP science classes in middle school, and who have a tutor for every single subject. There are so many of these people that it has almost become normal. These people may be the exception, but you don't need the whole student body to be filled with geniuses to make you feel incompetent. As long as there are those few, you just know that they will be taking your spot at any of the colleges that you dream of attending. Don't get me wrong, after high school, most of the kids that grow up here tend to do better than other teenagers. While many people that go to college from other areas are completely unprepared, people coming from Palo Alto usually don't find it as hard, because the jump is not as large. However, high school is a living hell for many of us (but, I guess this is true for most people...). Don't get me wrong, it's awesome that as kids we are pushed to work hard and that we are surrounded by very intelligent people. However, many times it gets to be way too much. The stress here causes an enormous amount of competition; some parents don't even let their kids disclose their college counselors or SAT/ACT because they want them all to themselves. Every student is on their own. Teens lie about their grades, about what's going to be on a test, and there is a huge cheating problem in Palo Alto High Schools. Hell, teens here compete over how little sleep they get; it is not uncommon to hear people bragging about getting only 3 hours of sleep every night, or about having 8 hours of homework a night. It's a ridiculously complex and contradicting cycle of the students here wanting to act as if they have the most stressful lives, and yet at the same time that they're just so smart that everything comes easily to them. The stress and ridiculous expectations turns many of these kids into living, breathing, cheating, robots.In addition to what I said above, all of the teenagers are incredibly fake. Everything they do is for college. To give you an idea of just how fake (and shameless) some of these kids are, I have multiple indian friends who were told by their parents to choose incredibly dark photos of themselves and to not state their ethnicities in any of their applications, as an attempt to pass off as black (shockingly, it actually worked). Every move these kids make, activity they participate in, and article they post on Facebook is calculated in such a way as to make them the ideal ivy league applicant. They sweep glass at a Stanford lab for 2 hours a week and call it a "research internship." They get jobs at their parent's companies and they play it off as their own accomplishments. As I mentioned somewhere above, these kids have 4 tutors and yet they pretend that school just "comes naturally" for them. Every grade they get, they tell people they got 5% - 10% higher. They're so caught up in getting As that they have no clue what makes them happy. Most of the students here don't even have real friends; if you look at some of these high schools during lunch time, 70% of the students will be sitting on the grass in small circular groups, eyes glued to their phones, small talk occurring every few minutes. Most of these students don't have many (if any) real friends, because how can you be friends with someone you're competing against? How can you be a true friend to someone, when every time they get a better grade than you, your jealousy overcomes how much you care for them. How can you be a true friend to someone, when every time you have to submit an assignment, or have a test, you pray they do poorly, because their failures mean all the more chance of you getting into your dream college. How can you be a true friend to someone, when you can't even tell them your top college choices because you don't want them to apply and take "your" spot. When a community like Silicon Valley expects so much of its teenagers, how can you possibly expect them to be themselves?The culture is extremely toxic (at least to teenagers). In the point above I explained just how stressful the high schools are. However, to be honest, school is but one of the stressful things in Silicon Valley. It isn't fair to blame the schools, because the schools' ideals mimic the community's ideals. Silicon Valley is obsessed with being the best, often at an incredibly shallow level. They want the ones that went to ivy leagues and that live perfect suburban lives. They want "natural intelligence" -- you know, Stanford smart. The type of smart where everything just comes easily to you. School may cause us teenagers stress, but growing up in Silicon Valley, with the community's ridiculous expectations and judgments, that's what really screws us up.The people here are too liberal. Being an extremist on either side of the political spectrum is bad (be it liberalism or conservatism). Many of the people in Silicon Valley are extremely liberal, to the point where they are completely biased and ridiculous in their beliefs (and statements). For example, the history classes in Palo Alto are unbelievably biased. The teachers are so worried about being politically correct that we as students suffer, and end up getting an incredibly biased, sheltered, and inaccurate education. Not only that, but most people in Silicon Valley blindly look down upon conservatives. Silicon Valley schools may pride themselves on being accepting, but I have most definitely seen people be ridiculed for holding moderate conservative beliefs.It gives you a relatively naive view on the world. We live in a very rich and privileged area. Everyone surrounding us went to a top university, founded their own start up and has maybe even become a billionaire before the age of 25 (Mark Zuckerberg)... We have no idea what the real world is like. I wasn't even going to mention it at first because it seemed so normal to me, but the reality is, most people do not have the newest iPhones and iPads. Most people don't own macbook pros or have their own google glass. It's not normal for your high school's parking lot to be filled with cars that cost over $20,000. Not even that, but most families can't afford to give their children enough money to buy coffee and get lunch at Town and Country (an area across the street that features restaurants and shops) every day. Some of these things may be little, and we most likely don't even stop to think about them, but over time, they add up. They're small things, but they represent an immensely different lifestyle.There is a huge divide between the wealthy and the not so wealthy. The area is so expensive that most of our teachers can't even afford to live within a 20 mile radius of the schools they teach in. Some of them drive over two hours every morning just to get to school. There are also a lot of kids that live in East Palo Alto that attend Palo Alto High School. Their lives are drastically different from ours; there is a huge divide between the kids living in East Palo Alto and between the kids living in Palo Alto. Although people are generally accepting, there is definitely this (often subconscious) idea of them not being "as good" as us. If your parent isn't an engineer, doctor, or lawyer, then people generally look down on you. It may not be evident in our actions, but it's definitely what the people around here think.We barely value anything other than STEM classes. Most people that I go to school with think that English and History are a joke. Math and science are ALWAYS the classes that people place emphasis on. A large number of my friends' parents let them (and encourage them) to skip these classes in order to study for their math and science classes. This is even worse for the arts. The kids and parents here barely care about the arts; we have been raised to value careers in STEM and so we barely hold any value for other career options.Teens are robbed of their youth. Not only is there no such thing as a "rebellious stage" for most Silicon Valley teens, but our youth ends by middle school. By 7th grade teens are getting private tutors to get ahead, are already taking AP classes, and are taking (aka acing) the SAT/ACT. By age 10 we start calculating which extracurriculars will look best on our college applications. I cannot remember the last time once of my friends participated in an activity for fun (or hell, for the sake of their happiness). It's such an important thing, and yet it is widely ignored by almost every Bay Area teenager.In conclusion, I'm still very undecided on this subject. The area is fantastic! As a parent I would most definitely want my child to grow up in an environment like this! But as a student, I'm not so sure...NOTE: This is describing more of the Palo Alto, and generally wealthier areas in Silicon Valley. As many people have pointed out in the comments, there are also quite a few poor areas in Silicon Valley, for which what I wrote above doesn't necessarily apply to.
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