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Today on Farcebook we will tackle the Anonymous question of:“Do the majority of gun owners support some form of background checks, safety and training instruction, testing, permits, documentation of transfer/sale, registration and/or psychological evaluations as a condition of firearm purchase or ownership?”Well, that is quite the list. Let’s get started.Parsing out the segments:“Do the majority of gun owners support some form of background checks”I am in favor of a background check system that is COMPLETELY FREE to the user for any private sale where the buyer doesn’t have a concealed carry license (where they are issued).Right now the system is set up so that only licensed dealers can call in to complete a background check, making it so that an average, every-day citizen can’t make that call.Instead we have to “pay our ‘poll tax’” to the dealer to perform the background check to exercise TWO rights (the right of the people to keep and bear arms and the right to sell the legal items we own without government interference).“safety and training instruction”I’m all for having a safety and training program be mandatory in schools, this way we would know that everyone who graduates high school can competently handle a firearm, as there would be a mandatory shooting test as part of the curriculum.If, however, you want to make it mandatory that I attend a class that is offered in some semi-remote location, that is scheduled at times that are highly inconvenient for me, and at a price that is anything above “$0” then I’m not down with that.“testing,”See above.I’m all for making sure folks know how to handle firearms. However, if the test can be used as a barrier to ownership upon reaching the age of majority then I’m not down with it. At. All.We don’t allow voter literacy tests, we don’t allow poll taxes, I sure won’t allow “testing” that is setup as a barrier to restrict the right to own firearms.” permits”Only for concealed carry of a firearm. And said permit MUST be recognized across state lines.And the least restrictive laws of either my home state or the state I am carrying in apply to the legality of the firearm. Currently in Oregon I can carry any capacity magazine for my firearm that I can conceal and my firearm can be anything I can safely conceal.California has different rules regarding allowed models of firearms as well as magazine capacity, and several states limit magazine size.If I’m in Cali then my Oregon handgun and magazines would be legal. A Californian visiting Oregon could carry any firearm that is OREGON legal as our laws are less restrictive.“documentation of transfer/sale,”For sales through an FFL holder the transfer is recorded using an ATF 4473. This satisfies any documentation requirement on that side.For private sales there should be no need to go through a dealer and complete a 4473. The background check system I discuss in the first part will spit out some form of transaction number that I can record as to having actually performed a background check. Any record keeping of the firearm(s) sold and to whom may be kept ONLY by the seller and NEVER the government.“registration “Of guns: not in a trillion lifetimes. That ship sailed too long ago.Even the police don’t trust the politiciansConnecticut halts plans to round up firearms after finding most cops in the state are on the listSo, why should any one else?Of owners: IF AND ONLY IF the same registration was required for EVERY RIGHT PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.You don’t get to have a registry of the owners through some back-door scheme.If you want to register owners then I will fight tooth and nail to make sure the EXACT SAME REGISTRATION is required to:VoteStart a church (in ANY form)Attend, or not attend, any of the churches started in item #2Be a journalistPeaceably assembleBe protected from warrant-less search and seizure.Rights are Rights, not privileges that can be controlled by the granting of a license.“ and/or psychological evaluations “No. And not only no…There are not enough psychologists alive today, even with those in the training pipeline, to meet this need.Further there is scant evidence it will work the way you hope it will.This part has also been asked and answered on Quora beforeWhy don't you support mental health background checks for U.S. citizens who purchase guns?“as a condition of firearm purchase or ownership?”Well, there are your answers to all of your questions.

Hey there OP,There really are no ID, background checks you might think there are on voting. You get registered and that’s that. How you get registered is a local matter and varies considerably per State, but the FBI is not involved.The process to buy a pistol or rifle through an FFL dealer is considerably more involved since there is photo ID, background check, possible waiting periods, limits on purchases, etc. The 2nd Amendment recognizes your right to buy and own a gun, but State laws says how that happens.As for Voting:The Constitution[1] says:The 15th Amendment to the Constitution gave African-American men the right to vote. However, many of them weren't able to exercise this right for nearly 100 years. Poll taxes, literacy tests, and other means used by some states made it difficult for them to vote. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 eliminated these barriers that prevented many African Americans in the South from voting.The 19th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1920, gave American women the right to vote.The 24th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1964, eliminated poll taxes, which had disproportionately affected African Americans as a barrier to voting in federal elections.The 26th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1971, lowered the voting age for all elections to 18.Then there are the Federal laws to help protect Americans' right to vote and make it easier for citizens to exercise that right:The Civil Rights Acts provide some of the early federal statutory protections against discrimination in voting (42 U.S.C. 1971 & 1974). These protections originated in the Civil Rights Act of 1870, and were later amended by the Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960 and 1964.Voting Rights Act of 1965 - This law prohibits voting practices and procedures that discriminate based on race, color, or membership in a language minority group. It also requires certain jurisdictions to provide election materials in languages other than English.Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 - This law generally requires polling places to be accessible to people with disabilities.Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) of 1986 - This law allows members of the U.S. Armed Forces and overseas voters to both register to vote and vote by mail.National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) of 1993 - This law increases opportunities to register to vote and creates procedures for maintaining voter registration lists, making it easier for people to stay registered.Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 - This law authorizes federal funds for election administration and creates the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. It also requires states to adopt minimum standards on voting systems, provisional ballots, voter information posters on election days, and for first time voters who register to vote by mail and statewide voter registration databases. The EAC helps states to comply with these requirements.Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act of 2009 - This law amends the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act to improve access to voting by military and overseas voters. It requires states to provide electronic access to various parts of the election process, mail absentee ballots to certain voters at least 45 days before an election, and develop a free access system to inform military and overseas voters about whether their voted ballots were received and counted.As far as the State requirements about 2/3rds “request,” or require that you provide some form of identification[2] before you’re allowed to vote at the polls. States such as California and Oregon require no identification[3] to register to vote, other States are more strict.Find Out if You Need to Bring an ID to VoteYour state’s laws determine whether you will need to show an ID and if so, what kind.Photo ID versus Non-Photo IDAbout half of the states with voter ID laws accept only photo IDs, such as driver’s licenses, state-issued ID cards, military ID cards, and passports. Many of these states now offer a free voter photo ID card if you don’t have another form of valid photo ID.Other states accept certain types of non-photo IDs, such as birth certificates, Social Security cards, bank statements, and utility bills. Each state is specific about the documents it will accept as proof of identification. Be sure you know your state’s voter ID requirements prior to Election Day.Procedures for Voting Without IDEven if you don’t have a form of ID that your state asks for, you may be allowed to vote. But some states require you to take additional measures after you vote to make sure that your vote counts.Some states may ask you to sign a form affirming your identity. Other states will let you cast a provisional ballot, which is used when there is a question regarding a voter's eligibility. In some states, election officials will investigate the voter’s eligibility and decide whether to count the vote.Other states require that you return to an election office within a few days and show an acceptable form of ID. If you don’t, your vote won’t be counted.Name or Address MismatchEven if you have a form of ID that your state accepts, you may be required to cast a provisional ballot if the name or address on your ID doesn’t match the name or address on your voter registration. This may happen, for example, if:You get married, change your last name, update your voter registration but present a driver’s license with your unmarried name.You move, present a current utility bill as proof of ID but forget to update your address on your voter registration beforehand.Additionally, some states require you to notify your local registration office of any change in your name to remain a qualified registered voter.You can avoid problems by always updating your voter registration whenever you move and if you change your name.First Time VotersFirst time voters who didn’t register in person and haven’t previously provided proof of ID are required by federal law to show some form of identification.Just goes to show that if government tries to do something, it comes out amazingly complex and to accomplish such simple sounding things.Oh well…Ciao.Footnotes[1] The Constitution: Amendments 11-27[2] Voter Identification Requirements | Voter ID Laws[3] Voter Identification Requirements | Voter ID Laws

The question, as asked by Nathan Jones, at the time of answering is:“Why are people against common sense gun control? I'm not trying to start a fight, but I genuinely don't understand why like background checks and a waiting period is too much to ask for.”Well Mr. Jones, there are a few issues with this.When you say “common sense” you are implying that there is:Consensus on what “common sense” isPeople actually have someI would dare to say what a citizen of Montana views as “common sense” with regards to guns is going to be amazingly different than the view of a citizen of New York City. That is just a fact of life that must be considered.I use Montana as a specific example because their State Government has ‘thumbed their nose’ at the Federal Government by stating you can buy a machine gun in the state of Montana without the requisite federal background check if two criteria (I believe) are met:The machine gun must be manufactured in the State of MontanaThe machine gun can never leave MontanaYou see, the Federal prohibitions on machine gun ownership are based on interstate commerce meaning if the gun never crosses state lines then it never becomes subject to the NFA. I’m willing to bet that this would incense no small number of New Yorkers that a state is flaunting the law…To the state of Montana this IS common sense.To my way of thinking, it is inherently counter to the American principles as well as the principles of a civilized society, to limit the rights of the law-abiding due to the actions of the law-breaking.A good analogy of this would be:In the interest of public safety we will begin requiring speed limiting governors on every car sold limiting the car to 85 MPH. That is 5 MPH over the maximum legal speed limit anywhere in the country now. Since we ‘know speed kills’ it would be incumbent on society as a whole to mandate a limit on the capabilities of cars to reduce the risk of death due to excessive speed.We are also going to restrict sales of “sports cars” because those serve no useful purpose other than to speed and since we know ‘speed kills’ we have to make sure we restrict the sales of vehicles such as Ford Mustangs and Chevrolet Camaros and Corvettes. Each and EVERY existing vehicle of this type will require registration with a new sub agency of the NHTSA that will govern the transfers of said vehicles.We know some people will want to be able to go faster than 85 MPH, and we are willing to allow that; provided these individuals pay for a special permit, that will be reasonably priced at $15,000 per vehicle. We are also going to implement background checks for these permits to ensure those obtaining them are not intent on performing illegal acts such as “street racing” and they have nothing in their driving record that would serve as a disqualifier (such as even 1 DUII) to the ownership of such a vehicle.We know that some people will want to be able to put performance enhancing modifications on their vehicles. Some of these will be allowed without permit, others such as NOS systems will be subject to the above listed permit fee (in addition to the vehicle fee, transfers of vehicles of this class and with a NOS already installed require TWO permit applications AND associated fees) and incumbent background check.We promise the backlog for these background checks will never exceed the backlog for NFA checks which currently stands at just past 250 days.NFA Transfer Time Tracking NFA Reviews Form 1 Form 4 TrackingOh, and in about 10 to 15 years, we are going to come in and say “no new vehicles can be added to the registry of sports cars.” The current ones are OK, but new ones aren’t.That seems like a REASONABLE and COMMON SENSE approach to dealing with vehicle violence deaths. Wouldn’t you agree? And while you and I may agree, I personally know a LOT of folks for whom this would NEVER fly.Now, as to your two points about background checks and waiting periods.POUND SAND.You see, in Oregon we have ‘universal’ background checks on what should be all transfers (with a very well defined list of close relative and gun-smith exceptions).And then an amazing thing happened.The news carried the story of a pastor who decided to spend $3000 in a raffle for the hopes to win the grand prize of an AR pattern rifle, and turn it into a piece of art through destructive means that would eliminate a weapon of destruction from the streets. That’s all well and good, I don’t have a problem with that since the transfer to the pastor (he did win) was completed at a dealer where a background check was performed.The pastor, wanting to properly store the rifle, transferred possession of said firearm to a parishioner with whom he had no exempting relationship. This transfer of possession occurred without the requisite background check. Law violation #1.A few days later the pastor returns to pick up the rifle to take it to the artist who will destroy the firearm to create art. LEGALLY this transfer of possession requires yet another background check through NICS. Law violation #2.At this point I don’t know if the pastor stayed at the artist’s studio long enough for the firearm to be declared “de-milled” (ATFE description of a firearm that has been rendered inoperable and is no longer subject to ATFE laws and regulations) or if the pastor left before this occurred. If the former is the case then there is no additional violation of the law, if the pastor left before the firearm was destroyed then this is law violation #3.The lame government decided they weren’t going to prosecute these very clearly documented violations of the law. I’m sorry, they don’t get to decide whether they want to selectively prosecute people or not. Well, I guess they do get to since the pastor is as liberal as the government of Oregon.Lake Oswego pastor won't be charged after AR-15 transfer allegationsHere is a money quote from the State Police of Oregon: “ "The suspect's statement to the media that he gave it to someone for safe keeping is insufficient to prove that it did happen." ”(from the linked article.Normally everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law…All animals are equal, some are more equal than others…Background checks:Sorry, I don’t buy into that; well at least not more than the three day wait when there is not an instant clear to proceed on the NICS.Other than that there are times when you absolutely positively need to buy a gun TODAY. Just ask the folks in LA during the riots when they found out there was a mandatory waiting period, there was much consternation in the land in those days.There are also states that are only recently changing laws allowing victims of domestic violence to obtain firearms fasterChristie Executive Order Shortens Gun Wait for Victims of Violence | Video | NJTV NewsNew Jersey shortened the wait from 30 days to (hopefully) just 14, but in some cases even that could be too long.Given that there are NUMEROUS SCOTUS decisions stating the police are under ZERO obligation to come to the assistance of a given individual, even one who has a stalker or someone who has threatened their life, it is incumbent upon the individual to be ready to defend their own life if necessary.Waiting periods deny that ability to protect self. In my opinion that is unconscionable in a (mostly) civilized society.It is my heartfelt belief that when a law-abiding citizen who is a victim of domestic violence, to the point of requiring an order of protection, applies for a Carry Permit a check of NICS should be performed and a provisional permit MUST BE (not may, not shall, but MUST be) issued within 8 working hours of submission of the request.Failure to issue the permit within that window will result in a civil penalty against the police chief of the jurisdiction of not less than a $25,000 fine. A second violation within a two year period would result in a fine of the civilian police commissioner of not less than $250,000 and the chief in question being fired with a national “black-ball” for law enforcement jobs for the chief in question. Any jurisdiction with three violations of this law in a two year rolling period would be subject to some a heinous penalty that I’m not sure of yet, but would likely involve 15 years imprisonment for the police commissioner and in excess of a million dollars in fines for the jurisdiction.Either we are serious about domestic violence protection or we are not.And yes, I am a bit draconian when it comes to protecting innocent life.With regard to domestic violence, I would say that failure to enter disqualifying information into the NICS update system within 10 to 20 working days of a conviction should be grounds for insanely stiff penalties to the top ranking officials of a department and their civilian oversight (chief, commissioner).Unfortunately the lowest possible link on the chain gets to be the scapegoat in too many cases, leading me to want to punish those at the top with penalties that will ‘inspire’ their leadership to ensure things don’t fall through the cracks. There would be no statue of limitations on failure to enter the data, you can still be subject to penalties for as long as you are alive if failures to report occur.Like I said, I can get draconian; especially when it comes to those who are supposed to protect and serve.So, what did you have in mind with regard to acceptable waiting periods and background checks.