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I grew up as a huge fan of Muhammad Ali. But I also read any books I could get my hands on about the other great fighters of the past. But other than an occasional film clip of Joe Louis that might be shown before the live broadcast of an Ali fight, I had never seen those other guys. Back in the 70’s, there was no youtube, No internet, period. No personal computers. Fight films, which for so long could not be shipped across state lines, were still hard to find.So when I was in college, I bought a game called “Title Bout”, which rated every fighter and allowed you to match all the greats of different eras. I opened it up and each fighter was rated on a number of skills: Punching power, accuracy, defense, stamina, etc. I was studying the ratings, but then I came to a card for John L. Sullivan , and also one for Peter Jackson, the great black fighter that Sullivan refused to face. And I realized something: There’s no film of those guys. Now, we’re very fortunate that Thomas Edison’s invention of the film camera came along right at the start of the modern era of boxing, when they started using gloves and the modern rules, and the second thing he actually ever filmed was a boxing match involving Jim Corbett, who was the first champion of the modern era. But it was clear that if Title Bout was including the barenuckle champ Sullivan, they were not basing it on studying film, they were doing it by reputation.And I wanted facts, not opinions. So I created my own game called Ring Showdown, and began selling it by mail order. At first, it was only the current fighters of the late 70’s, and from the results that people sent me, it was extremely realistic and accurate. Meanwhile, I had started scouring video stores for films of the fighters of the past, so I could study them, write down the results of every punch they threw, and include them in my game. At that time, home video (VHS or Beta) was still a new thing and the fights were still on 8mm or 16 mm film, and a given video store might carry two or three fights, so I went all over Philadelphia buying up whatever I could.And when I threaded the films and pointed my projector at my basement wall, I was amazed as these fighters I’d read about for so many years came to life before my eyes. But I was also disappointed in some ways. These fighters, who’d been built up throughout history as if they were supermen, had some very glaring flaws. Yes, Joe Louis was the smoothest, hardest, most precise combination puncher I’d ever seen. But he also had a very poor defense. He held his left low, stood flat footed and didn’t move his head. Now we all know Ali held his left extremely low, but Ali was always moving his feet, making guys miss, pulling back his head, making guys miss. It didn’t matter that his technique went against conventional wisdom, what mattered is that it worked. But conventional wisdom said—and I had joined the college boxing team so as to learn proper technique from a professional trainer—that when you snap out your jab, you bring it back up by your chin to block a counter. But Louis “dropped” his jab, bringing it back low, leaving himself wide open for a counter right. And so, since he also didn’t move his head or feet, he was a sucker for a straight right. His best defense was his offense, in that his hand speed allowed him to counter a guy before he got hit.That’s why, when Louis was starting to gain national attention, having built a record of 24–0. with wins over former champions Primo Carnera and Max Baer, another former champion named Max, Max Schmeling, said “I see something.” And what he saw was that low left, that dropped jab. And he countered with right hands over the top of that lazy jab all night, knocking Louis down in the 4th round, and knocking him out in the 12th.When writing about Louis’ greatness, people often said that he was much better in rematches. And, of course, the rematch with Schmeling was surrounded by incredible hype, painted as a meeting between an American and a Nazi during World War II. (John McGlothlin has provided an excellent article on Quora showing that Schmeling was no Nazi, but that’s how it was portrayed.) Louis, through politics, had gotten a shot at the heavyweight championship despite the loss to Schmeling, and had won it by KO’ing Jim Braddock. But putting aside all of the emotional aspects of the fight between an American and a German, Louis won the rematch with Schmeling because he completely changed his strategy. Instead of jabbing from long range and leaving himself open to a counter right, he moved inside behind his very first jab, and stayed in Schmeling’s chest, pinning him to the ropes. Schmeling proved to be clueless as an infighter, even grabbing the ropes with one hand, which left him only one hand to block punches. Then, even worse, he wrapped both hands around the ropes. leaving himself completely wide open as Louis pummeled him. It was a spectacular first round KO for Louis. But I think the reason Louis was so much better in rematches is that he was not a great thinker or strategist in the ring: the same tactic that worked against him in the early rounds would work throughout the fight. But once he got back in the gym with his great trainer, Jack Blackburn, they would work on a new strategy for the rematch, such as they did with Schmeling.But, really, throughout his career, Louis never corrected that flaw that made him so susceptible to a straight right. He’s very fortunate that the fighters of his time were so bad that most of them, even though they were right-handed, didn’t even throw a decent right lead or counter right. To his credit, Louis defended his title far more often than other heavyweight champions. But his opponents were known as the Bum Of The Month Club. It’s simple math—if you defend 7 times, as he did in 1941, compared to the average champion who might have two or three fights, then you’re going to be facing 4 or 5 guys who normally would never have gotten a sniff of a title shot.But other than that “Bum Club” designation, never was much said or written about the quality of Louis’ opponents. After watching all of the films and seeing, not only the flaws of Louis and Dempsey and others, but also how bad their opponents were, I began to wonder why sportswriters had never pointed these things out. And yet, Rocky Marciano always got hammered for his “Poor defense” and his beating “bad opponents.” And finally, I came upon what I think is the answer. Television. You see, before TV, the newspapers could build these champions up to be like supermen, and it helped sell papers. They didn’t tell you about these guys’ flaws, and about the weak opponents they beat. They generated more interest and sold more papers by writing about these guys like they were unbeatable titans. And with the sale and transport of boxing films banned, fans wouldn’t know otherwise, with the exception of the few who were able to actually travel to attend fights live. But by the time Rocky came along, people had TV’s, they could see the fighters for themselves, so now the writers had to tell the truth. Ironically, I think Rocky got overly criticized. I think Rocky’s defense was actually better than Louis’. He would come forward, but lean his upper body back, and when an opponent threw a punch, lean even further back and make it miss. Then, in a flash, he’d shift his weight and counter with his big right hand. Other times, he would bend forward at the waist and get under punches, then come up with a big left hook, the way Dempsey had before and Frazier would after.Now that’s just my opinion, but I was also writing down stats of all these guys’ fights. There was no Compu Box at that time. But it was hard to do because I’d try to rewind the film several times to make sure a particular punch landed, and it would burn a hole in the film. Years later, when I became a TV sports anchor, and the fights had now been transferred to video, I would pop the tapes into an editing machine, where I could slow them down frame by frame, to be certain if a punch had actually landed. I could also rewind and watch a punch half a dozen times if need be. And I stayed there at the station almost every night for an hour or two after I got done with my sportscast, breaking down film, even though I might only get through a round or two in that hour because I was doing it in such a painstaking manner. But as a result, I have today a statistical database that exists nowhere else. I’m not going to reveal or publish any of my figures because I still plan to do something with it. I don’t intend to create another boxing game, though, even though it would be great as a computer simulation. As a board game, Ring Showdown was so incredibly complicated that even though most of the people who bought it were amazed by it, there were so many complex charts and such, that it could never have made it as a commercial success, and I had to take it off the market.But back to Louis and Ali. Before winning the title, Louis beat ex-champions Primo Carnera and Max Baer. Carnera was generally considered the worst champion of all time, and yet, when Baer beat Carnera, he was somehow proclaimed as something special. He wasn’t. Just youtube the fight, and watch the two of them stumble all over the ring like some guys in a barroom, with Baer tackling Carnera to the canvas more often than actually knocking him down, though the ref didn’t seem to know the difference. (The newspaper reporters, of course, also ignored this, writing that Carnera “hit the canvass” 13 times.) Then Jim Braddock beat Baer, and while the movie “Cinderella Man” makes this sound like some amazing thing (they claim Baer had killed two men in the ring—just not true), it was really one club fighter beating another. Louis then won the title by beating Braddock—who had a record of 51–25. Yup, 25 losses. And when you watch Louis’ defenses against fighters like Max’s brother, Buddy Baer, you have to be amazed that Buddy was even more clueless than Max. Here’s a guy who’s 6–6″, but instead of using a jab and a straight right to keep his opponents at a distance, he walks right into them, and fights at close range, completely negating his biggest advantage. No jab, hands down, walking forward, extremely easy to hit. And yet he knocked Louis down, knocked him through the ropes. Then there’s Two Ton Tony Galento. He was about five feet tall with alligator arms. He was a full time bartender! Now, in this fight, Louis should be the one throwing jabs and straight rights and using his reach, because Galento can’t possibly land a punch from distance. But Louis stands there and lets Two Ton Tony walk right up to him and fight at close range. And he knocks Louis down, too!But when Louis finally faces a really good fighter in former light heavyweight champion Billy Conn, he gets taken to school for 13 rounds. Conn moves in and out, confusing Louis. Because Louis fought flat-footed, and moved very slowly on those feet, guys who could move gave him lots of trouble. Conn’s mistake, as history has made well known, was that he hurt Louis and tried to move in to finish him off. But Louis was most dangerous when he was hurt. He was also dangerous when you had him on the ropes. Because Louis was tough as hell, and when guys hurt him and moved in for the kill, that meant he didn’t have to chase them. Conn found out the hard way when he got knocked out. It was the same mistake Max Baer had made years earlier. They had hurt Louis, but while trying to finish him off, they got caught themselves. And once he hurt you, Louis was as great a finisher as there’s ever been.But in 1946, Louis faced Jersey Joe Walcott. Walcott was about the slickest heavyweight ever before Ali. (Although if you say Gene Tunney was, I won’t argue.) Walcott had created this great walkaway move, where he appeared to be walking away, then pivoted and threw a hard right. He kept hitting Louis with counter rights over that low left jab. He knocked Louis down twice in the fight. But he was smart enough not to try to close in for the kill. He just kept outboxing Louis. They gave the decision to Louis. Unfortunately, the tapes have been edited, so you can’t really score it at home. (In the days of film, they had to edit them down in order to fit them onto a reel.) I said I wouldn’t reveal my numbers, but maybe just this once: In the longest version of the film that I found, Louis landed 125 punches, Walcott 126. So it really was very close. But Walcott landed more power punches, 50, to Louis’ 41. And he had those two knockdowns, so he probably won the fight.As per usual, Louis was better in the rematch, knocking out Walcott in the 11th. But Walcott did manage to knock Louis down again in the 3rd round. So that’s three times over two fights that Walcott put Louis on the canvas—and every one of them was with a straight right.Now who had the fastest straight right hand in the history of heavyweights? (Other than Louis himself?) Muhammad Ali. And my stats would show, and your eyes can see, that no one threw more straight rights than Ali. When he fought Zora Folley, he hit the veteran fighter with a right lead and then doubled it up, and Folley was out before he hit the canvas. He never saw the punches coming. And ironically, after the fight, Folley said that Ali is the Greatest of all time, adding: “Joe Louis wouldn’t have a chance, he’s too slow to catch Ali.” Now I normally don’t put a lot of stock in what fighter’s say. They have ulterior motives, and they always say the guy from their own era was better. But I find this quote particularly interesting in that Folley got KO’d with the same punch that Ali would’ve hit Joe Louis with all night.But when evaluating fighters, you should look at both guy’s weaknesses. (Which most people don’t do; they focus on one guy’s weakness and completely leave out the weaknesses or failures of the one they favor.) Ali was susceptible to swarmers. Joe Frazier. Ken Norton. Guys that come forward, ducking under punches and getting into close range, where Ali didn’t like to fight. But that wasn’t Joe Louis. Louis was a straight up orthodox fighter who would take little crow hops to try to get a little closer. Louis was much more like Sonny Liston style-wise, and Liston couldn’t catch Ali. So I think there is plenty of evidence to back up Folley’s statement, because you’d never catch up to Ali by shuffling and crow-hopping.So I envision a fight where Ali has a relatively easy time, sticking and moving and piling up points. Maybe in a rematch, Louis might try some tactics to get quickly inside the way he did against Schmeling in their second fight, but Ali is light years better than Schmeling in terms of defense and movement, and I doubt Louis could pull it off. Of course, when you can put punches together the way Louis did, there’s always a chance. But here again, we learn so much by looking at a fighter’s opponents. We know that Ali —when he got older and slowed down to where someone could actually hit him—took the best shots of George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle and Ken Norton. Young Ali took the best shots of Sonny Liston, during the only time that LIston could catch him, when Ali was temporarily blinded. So I don’t see Louis, or anyone else, being able to knock out Ali.As for who ranks higher, if you had a “Tournament of Champions”, I would make Ali the heavy favorite for all the reasons mentioned above. Of course, that’s just my opinion. Maybe one day I’ll get that computer game or TV show made, and we’ll find out.