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For the money, this Maha Nayak will do anything,In my view, Mr. Bachchan is a totally shameless man, who could perform such a vulgar song/dance with his DIL, she is almost semi-nude.There is no question in my mind, Mr. Amitabh Bachan is deserving of a great place in the acting world.His dialogue delivery, the way of expression, the perfect pronunciation of Hindi words, and a wholesome personality. All these are matchless, and sure he is more significant than life.It is given, yes indeed God Almighty had been very kind to this gentleman.Now here is my beef.Is he a God? Of course not, is he a semi-God, of course not, is he an angel of course not. However, why most of mostly north Indians have elevated him to Godly levels?*South Indians have their Godly actors/actresses.To the best of my knowledge, this only happens in India.I am sure he has his flaws, as no one is perfect, then why we most of North Indians worship this gentleman.He is a human being, he has his emotions, he has his flaws and here are some of his ex-colleagues and people who once had helped him to stand on his feet.Listen to late actor Mehmood. Mr. Amitabh Bachan is no angel, and neither his alcoholic wife, rest of the family members also have their right and not so good points.Please watch what well-known actors have to say as follows.Please watch this gentleman’s real character in the following videos.He is selfish/thankless/and not a good father and/not loyal to anyone except when his neck in the noose.Watch this video, Mr. Salim, tells about Mr. Bachchan, a thankless human being.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1a5FZk5hEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQ2ODaco2Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQ2ODaco2Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkcGXL3ORQAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LTC-SJGQh4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFKBa5bBdeM10 Heaviest Female Drinkers Of Bollywood, Check Out Their Drunk Pictures10 Bollywood Actresses And Their Addiction To Alcoholhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzmfrVHAPOUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQ2ODaco2Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1a5FZk5hEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQ2ODaco2UThe thing which surprises me:For how extended Bachan family is going to squeeze last pennies out of Indian pockets?I am at a loss to figure out that Indian population never gets sick of seeing this old man again and again and again.Honestly let him rest and retire him,He is like a stale food whenever I see him he makes me sick.BTW: I am not surprised that he is/was same as most of the mortals are, there is saying in Greek: When you dip your finger in honey, naturally to clean it most of us lick it.When Mr. Bachan has access to some of the most beautiful/talented/ woman, you must be an angel not to get attracted.Forgive him for being a normal human being.He is a real human being extremely selfish as the video shows.He has a wife who is alcoholic poison tongue/can not get along with anyone.He has a son who does not seem to have any talent, DIL, known rude and without any talent and a very obnoxious person.I believe with all the above when there is no peace at home, and in reality, he is very cunning and selfish person, naturally what else can you expect?I did not mention his relation with Rekha, and his association with some scam,When your lawful wedded wife becomes alcoholic/bitter/obnoxious, rest of achievements are total garbage. A woman can forgive anything, but she cannot allow her husband to become a male prostitute. I believe Mr. Bachhans behavior must have brought to this mental state.She was once lovely, a girl next door kind of a person, my friend went to college with her in the Film Institute in Poona. He was in Sound Engineering at the same time when Miss Bhaduri was in acting classes. My late friend Raj Gupta never said even one negative about Miss Bhaduri,Mr. Bachhan should retire and take care of his sick wife, and he has hogged the prime time more than his fair share.Well, please let him go, he scammed the North Indian population to the last drop of blood, he is mega-wealthy. And let him rest, give the new generation get a piece of the pie also.What I believe now Mr. Amitabh Bachchan is a pathetic gentleman: He has a shattered life with an alcoholic wife, family cracked and fractured, the only son with no viable future, DIL, no comment, daughter another wanna be Cinderella: This man is a total facade and full of flaws as we all have as being a human being. Being a good nautanki and being a successful family are two distinct things. I respect him as nautanki, not as a role model.I believe my cousin who with meager means raised four great kids, impoverished life but a pleased wife, he is my role model.With heavy makeup,Out of breath, talk.With same style over and over and over again.Internal a cunning/selfish/money minded like most of us.I never thought: He is not guilty of Bofors scam, I do not care about the outcome: I always believe there must be at least some MOLE to make a Hill.Most of us, all have some past, he is not different.Most of us will be attracted to beautiful and talented opposite sex.He got a massive dividend for his assets.He is miserable that he has kids who are unknown without many talents.He has an unhappy wife, who has become an alcoholic/poison tongue from a rational/down to earth/girl next door to a mentally disturbed bitter/jilted wife.Once your life partner is suffering due to such pressures and your behavior the rest of the success is Zero.In my view our hard work, all our life is devoted to the family, if your kids did not do well, equal to you or better, and your partner is not happy. The endpoint is useless, as the Queen of England, she raised questionable kids, and Prince Philip is a motor mouth. In my view, the Queen of England is a loser she could not raise well-balanced kids. Prince Charles a known adulterator, Princess Ane is not a poster girl; the Second son was not a hero, third son unknown. In my view The Queen is destitute and lonely women, she lost in the area of child-rearing. Rest does not matter.One of my relative in India summed up nicely she said:Mr. Bacchan is like very stale food; more you try to digest, more it comes up with reflux.She further added: We do not seem to get rid of this character, with the same B.S. over and over with ads.He is an ordinary man, with a lot of personal flaws like most of us, cunning, disloyal, selfish, other than lip service has not done much good for anyone.First, he was a struggling actor, then finally he saw some success, and then he being greedy became almost bankrupt.His feud with Gandhi family is well known, he was suspect for Bofors scam, in my views, there has to something,When his neck is in the noose, he sings like a Canary in praise of Amar Singh and Bal Thackeray, who saved his neck.image of typical amitabh bachchan pose:Rekha Affair:“Rekha (9/10, excellent acting talent and average dancer, slut of amitabh though she never allowed her self respect to be broken despite pressure from the largest political party of that time trying to save a family image of Amitabh)”“she turned into a swan which made Amitabh about to leave his family for her or even her last stage where she was good enough in her late 40s to do a sexy song with Akshay or do steamy scenes with Om Puri)”Who is the weakest Bollywood actress in the following: Nutan, Vyjayanthimala, Mandakini, Padmini Kolhapure, Sharmila Tagore, Rekha, or Anushka Sharma?What a change, please let him go he looks very sick man to me.He is a reincarnation of selfishness, after watching Mehmood Ali is video and also Kader Khan’s video, one does not have to think much about the real character of this man.God knows what the reasons he did not marry Rekha were, but he was messing around if he had no intention to marry her.I believe Mr. Bachchan used poor Rekha for an appetizer a (Chat Pati, spicy girl) and real meal Jaya (plain looking Jane, to keep his squeaky clean image and to please his Bau jee father, and Mrs. Teji Bachchan his mother.Finally, it looks, due to ups/downs/and stress in a family made this plain Jane, a girl next door and alcoholic/short-tempered and a total loser.In my view, Mr. Bachchan must fix his own house before “selling snake oils” on the T.V./media ads.When your own house is on fire to save your own home must be the only priority.A typical day to day homely/professional girl does not become an alcoholic unless there is a massive problem in the family. Therefore, this man is, in fact, whole facade and big talker and in real life a Nautanki that is all.Indian film actor, Amitabh Bachchan gestures on stage as he is...Mr. Amitabh Bachchan Sir, you have skimmed the Indian population good enough, with your nautanki routine, now please go home, take care of your ailing wife, who once was a real deal girl. How do I know, my friend late Raj Gupta, was at Poona Film Institute in Sound Engineering when Miss Bhaduri was in acting. And the beautiful words also travel like the fragrance from a rose garden. You are not the original angry Youngman, it is Mr. Shatrugun Sinha, her classmate, and that legend also originated with Miss Bhaduri’s initiation.She once was a very bubbly, simple, homely, motherly, innocent girl. With your B.S. and artificial lifestyle, greed and all the other nonsenses, you have nothing in the end. A son who is trying to find a place in the Sun and other kid also seems a lost rabbit in front of the headlights.A newly minted people say you have plastic DIL, she has her battles and past. How sad it could be: Some even question the paternity of your granddaughter. I would not go into that controversy.As Mr. Mehmood Ali and Mr. Kader Khan summed up you are an incredibly selfish and fake person. And when you go from this mortal world, you will find a destitute man, a hollow, an artificial, soul moving towards space. You did not leave any real legacy on the earth, either through your next generation or some open mind-blowing good causes.You sing like a canary in praise of people when your rear in the wise grip and they saved you from the bankruptcy.BTW: In my view court may have found you non-guilty of Bofors scam. However, I always believed you had some involvement otherwise your name would not have involved.It looks like you have not done much regarding charity, if you have done, it may be private and enjoyable for you. All I can say: Looking at your greed and show off lifestyle you may not have done much.Also, when you meet your creator like we all will meet one day(at least I believe in it, that we will meet Him/Her, at that time you ask for forgiveness). Naturally, because of my understanding that you instigated slaughter of helpless/ innocent our Sikh brothers and sisters in other parts of India in 1984. Even if you were not involved: Have you ever made appeals using your status to get some justice for them/or some cries to get punishment for those who did slaughter.Also, I do not care one of a way or the other or the cause/s, people did criticize you, that you did not invite Mr. Dhamendera to your son’s wedding even though he is your neighbor/coworker/and in some speeches, it tremendous you guys are/were friends also.Sir, to be only useful in your profession and being a role model with a wholesome/balanced life at home/to raise outstanding kids with their full potential as good as you or even better with their chosen fields/ are two different things.The objective of this article is/was that so far even one person understand that you are/were in good in your profession behind this fake face you are what I have already described you: A cunning, selfish, thankless, money chaser, and also a lot very questionable other things.My one objective is/was even if only one person catches this reality, and further spreads the message, I am a delighted person.For example:A person may be extremely good at gambling, but you do not want your son/daughter to be like him.A lady/gentleman is very good at prostitution you do want your son/daughter to be like her/him.The point is so far your audience understand you are a hollow and useless as a person and not worth a shi.however you are/were good nautanki(actor), and you are not a good role model for the coming generation/s or present young generation.All you recite some pre-written dialogue: Such as Sania,...OrRishtey ma hum...OrRavi: Bhai tumare pass kya heSome other such things such in Zanjeer,Before that, you were kind of worthless.AlsoThe image of Angry Youngman was created by Jaya Bhaduri when she was a student in Poona.And dialogues, script, and storylines of others.You rode the miracles of Kader Khan/or Salim Javed and the similar legends. That is all, whatever was left you rode the coat tail of your famous/ well-connected dad, and socialite mother.Have you ever thank them, Mr. Kader Khan and Mehmood Ali summed up your selfishness.You are just a mouthpiece of these empty, useless high sounding dialogues. And you should know these empty B.S. is raising a generation of empty and hollow kids.Some of these kids/even adults go to these movies, listen to these powerful dialogues and get satisfaction, come home do nothing, pee, eat and sleep. Next day go and pull Richshaw and unemployed and repeat these dialogues of false bravado in their head over and over.Sure India made significant strides from the slavery days before 1947, in the big scheme of things, India and China were at the same stage in 1949. Please go to China and see: How the future will look, China has left the USA for behind, when you go there, and compare this idiot: Making a fool of the young generation, Jumma Chumma De De, in case he was a role model, he should be preaching and acting like this:India cinema of 50, 60 and 70 S had built India; now it is destroying India also.Enjoy this cheap entertainment with your family:No disrespect: Mr. Bachchan looks like a clown dancing like a monkey.Jumma Chumma De De (((Jhankar))) HD 1080p - Hum (1991), song from SaddatWe need movies and teachers like this all around the world; the entire world is sinking in the gutter of alcohol/liberal sex/STD/incest/Single Parent families/extra-marital/total filth/very high divorce rates and failure of marriage institute/Has Mr. Bachchan done anything in the above directions?Hum Laye Hain Toofan Se Kashti Nikal Ke - Mohammed Rafi, Jagriti SongHas Mr. Bachchan made any movie like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeXHtLx2HI4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNN1y79qfYMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuXR9qIBXGECompare Mr. Bachchan with a legend like Bharat Kumar, aka Manoj Kumar.The great Bollywood Patriotic MoviesPlease note; India is nothing as compared to where the world is moving, with this nudity/loss of values/loss of culture/loss of sexual purity/we are heading towards to another slavery for a very long long long time.China leaves India far behind:China leaves India behind, heads towards the first world30 years ago, China was as dysfunctional as India is to the present day. It was after Deng took charge of economic policy in 1979 that China began its climb to the top.China leaves India behind, heads towards the first worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCoyxrp9KNAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0c-AlO_i4China Leaving United States Behind On Green Energy Jobs | On Assignment with Richard Engel | MSNBCHere are India’s education systems stands, thumping chests means nothing:Getting an acceptance in IIT in a population of 1.2 billion is a big thing and hard work.However in the World standing it is not a big deal, only two IIT made it to the first 200 universities in the world. These IITs are still on the tail end of 200There are only two IITs in the first 200 universities in the world; one is 179 th/200 and second is 172 th/200Here is India’s so-called elite nowhere in the big scheme of things worldwide.IIT-Delhi, IIT-Bombay, IISc among world’s top 200 universitiesThe ranking table this year has provided a list of the world’s 959 top universities, which includes 20 Indian institutions — six more than last year. Jadavpur University (ranked in the 601-650 band), University of Hyderabad (601-650), Anna University (651-700), Manipal University (701-750), Aligarh Muslim University (800-1000) and Birla Institute of Technology and Science (800-1000) are the six new entrants.Delhi University, for the first time, entered the top 500 group, moving up from the 501-550 category to the 481-490 category. IIT-Kharagpur improved its rank from 313 to 308, and IIT-Kanpur rose from 302 to 293 rank. IIT-Madras, however, lost a few places and moved from 249 to 264 rank. IIT-Guwahati moved from 481-490 band to 501-550 band. Banaras Hindu University, Panjab University, University of Mumbai and University of Pune are all ranked in the 801-1000 band.Here we go:Alcohol Abuse In Indian Women: Is It A Young, Urban PhenomenonWelcome to modern India.Conclusions:Indian cinema of 50, 60, the 70 S and to some extent even the early 80 s, made India, and it has destroyed it also.a. I am a direct product of Mr. Manoj Kumar Sahib’s movies, the movie Purab Pachhim, is still engraved in my head, which I stamped in my two sons born/brought in Canada. Now the third generation of our grandsons. Both boys know the scripture by heart, sing hymns and fully understand Good Karma. They are North American born, never been to India,b. Visit Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, and Thailand, and check out the significant influence of Indian civilization/culture/religion in the area. All these countries are entrenched and deep-rooted in Indian culture.Try to visit Cambodia, thousands of miles away from India and see the glory of Angkor Wat. This temple was once in the final list of World Wonders,The following is the real proof that ancient India and our forefathers gave to the world, thousands of miles away from India, in Cambodia. The breathtaking originally Hindu Temple, Angkor Wat, the whole Mahabharat is engraved in stone.Our forefathers did not sell nudity/vulgarity/that is why even after 100 s and 1000 s of years Indian civilization survived in pure form, thousands of years away from India.This is the whole Mahabharat carved in stone; please check the glory of Indian civilization, thousands of miles away from home and thousands of years back in time.The world famous Angkor Wat.In the big scheme of things, India is nowhere, sure India made strides, but rest of the world made tremendous strides.Please check the rating of Indian universities in the first 1000; only two made it to opening 200 at the tail end of 200. Long way to go to catch to Harvard number one in the world.Also when you are at it, try to check the Chinese progress, and if you can visit and find out yourself. China has left even the precious first world in some area, back in the dust.Most of the Chinese, say they are atheists but for thousands of years of Lord Buddha’s presence and the Indian influence are evident everywhere. Most of the Chinese are true Karam Veer.In my view India has given away all the lights to the world, now sitting in the dark.These nautankis have a stronghold, of the new generation, be it Mr. Bachchan or Sunny Leony, most of them are selling filth, and garbage and for money, they can and will do anything.AndThe only credible person Mr. Nana Patekar is smeared with dirt (that is a reality of India).India has killed her last Karam Veer Actor also, in my view I have more faith in this gentleman than any other human being in the world.I always wished in my heart that this guy should become PM of India, may be, India has a hope.The unbelievable this person has a meager number of flaws than most of us. At least he has a very kind heart, incredible; I also wonder why most of India did not stand up for himGoogle Image Result for https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Nana_patekar.jpg/220px-Nana_patekar.jpgTotal filth has taken over, India is not coming out of this filth this time, no Gandhi/no Bhagat Singh will be able to pull, a lost generation a wide spread of drugs/alcohol/violence/dirty songs/nudity/and liberal sex.Sexual Charged Atmosphere: People are talking about incest on the public forums, mothers/fathers/sisters/brothers/maidservants/male servants/first cousins/teachers/students/ you name it.In the end: This industry is selling vulgarity, nudity, dirt, sex and borderline pornography. And almost everyone involved in this trade has his/her hands dirty and hands are in the cookie jar.The end is imminent: When the country has lost moral values, that is more or less end of a nation.How do I know?: BI have seen the end of this movie in my travels and living in the west 2/3 of my life.The titans of the industry, who made great movies, story writers, songwriters, super clean actors/actresses inside out, are long gone. What is left greed, dirt, vulgarity, no moral values, and a dying nation inside out? And a few people like Honorable Nana Patekar is the last a few are left.AndMind boggling thing even one lady has thrown mud of this great person too.What is the probability, the person who is more significant than life image will touch the “ Item Girl” inappropriately in front of 100 s of people?The person gives away most of his earning.He lives like a saint.The whole of India should have come to the defense of this person, but as usual except a few brave ones, I did not hear loud voices in his case.In my view, the probability is almost zero. That is how we killed our leftover heroes too in their spirits, they may be living, but we destroyed them by disrespecting. They may be living, but we killed their senses as soon we disrespected their debt to the society.Mr. Patekar is not the only victim of this mudslinging, Mr. Manoj Kumar is also portrayed by modern heroes in a very poor reference, I believe Mr. Manoj Kumar had to take the refuge of courts to plead his case. When the legends of our pre and post-independence heroes are treated as a joke, rest of living legend have no peace and the great souls who gave away their lives for us, wasted their lives.A few last words:We Indians suffered about 1000 years of slavery in our own country, almost everyone in the world had looted our country, from Alexander the Great to Great Britain and all the others in between. The sad part is: We never learned anything, and we are going to the gutter again.As Ms. Deepti Jain pointed as follows;Mr. Bachchan appeals to a particular segment Indian population, even with questionable skills, as they say: It is not the song it is the singer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I08ex7M5WTwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2tnFHGoQZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrbbkH2TgCAUser-10543095595214434022Wed ·Not even that great of an actor. We unwarrantedly glorify these SRKs & Amitabh of Bollywood. They are not great actors. They are below average in acting, however, they can jiggle their limbs a bit. The reason why they are touted as great actors is, for one, their over-enthusiastic PR along with their “masala” movies. And then their competitors are nothing to write home about either, so they are thriving. And middle-class and rural Indian audience is very simple. You show them some glamour, a bit of dancing, villains, and cars, they will go and watch your hogwash. Otherwise, Amitabh and his ilk would have never become “famous”, let alone “superstars” if not for the Indian audience. So, becoming a “star” in India is not a big deal owing to its overpopulated audience.I reminisce my childhood and growing up in the Punjab Region of India, before moving to Canada, in the early 70 S.The formula for Bollywood movie is/was very simple:Put one comedian, in the story; this fellow is usually shown as a friend of the main character.A least one song/dance with some Punjabi words/lyrics/surnames aging ever present Bee jee/ and more of Punjabi culture. Thanks to Chopra brothers/and most of the Hindu Punjabi domination in the Bollywood movie making. Well, they had to sell that movie across the border also, and the middle east, with a lot of similar cultures there.We all had a villain in our lives, that typical evil man/woman, we liked to make him/her pulp in our lives, and when that person got beaten up in the movie. We all felt excellent, and in the end, the film ended very nicely with a honeymoon.The movie actors, who could deliver useless/fiery/empty/dialogue and could jump around became heroes.As Dipti Jain, said in her comment: It was Masala movies, ( means a little bit for everyone, comedy/songs/dance/melodrama/a bully/a corrupt person/and beating the crap of evil at the end/feel good/go home/pee/and start next day.This is nothing to be proud of most of the Indians may not see much in their lifetimes, other than sixty miles radius all their lives.These movies are a virtual tour of the world, big houses, big cars, luxury, bull sh,..dialogue of fake B.S. This B.S. sells the film, and it serves the purpose of virtual satisfaction.I am sorry, some people will never see the real thing in their lives. Bollywood movies are selling a dream, virtual reality, to get even virtually with a bully, social justice, inequality, helplessness, ideas but dead dreams and the Bollywood movie is/was the salve on wounds of poverty.And the people like Amitabh Bachchan skim the system to its maximum advantage, and in the processes they made millions. By dancing cheap tunes, showing fake bravado, fiery dialogue systems, and just shooting the wind, and cunningly amassing millions of dollars. And doing Snooki Snooki on the side and using and abusing their well-wishers and helper who put them on the pedestal.In my view India is sitting on the time bomb: I honestly believe there has to a divine intervention to save this piece of land from its self-created problems.Moral degradation/ethics/greed/corruption/nudity/pornography/adulteration/medical corrupt system/very poor if any health care.Non-stoppable population growth, and depleting natural resources.Widening gap between the rich and the poor.Non-stoppable pollution.Widening gap of goodwill/peace and no hope of good relations with China/Pakistan.Meanwhile enjoy Mr. Amitabh Buchchan’s fiery dialogue, dance, and drama.Jumma Chumma De De (((Jhankar))) HD 1080p - Hum (1991), song from SaddatMost of them have a very questionable past, most of them have dirty faces behind this shiny upfront.0:39 / 2:54Had Aishwarya Rai Traded Sexual Favors for Subhash Ghai’s 'Taal'Is it true as alleged that Aishwarya Rai had an affair with Amitabh Bachchan?Is it true as alleged that Aishwarya Rai had an affair with Amitabh BachchanVivek Jung Rana, Film Maker. (2017-present)Answered Oct 6You be the judge, I have no comment on this FIL and DIL, which in my view it should father and daughter relationship.Here is more for your bedtime stories, Mr. Bachchan is not what he appears.He is hidden agendas, his rivalry with other actors, jealousy, and the list goes onListen to this gentleman; he lists Mr. AB fully well, a fake, an opportunist, greedy, thankless, questionable honesty, disloyal and host of other things. However, I do admire his acting skills; he scammed the audience in notanki and real life too, his whole life was fake drama.Meanwhile, enjoy Mujra by his DIL, she has her long list of past issues, and a lot of her family issues, some are too dirty to discuss on the public forum.FIL and husband? Enjoying a Mujra, it is all in the family, funny thing they are all getting paid for doing this.For your further reading/viewing:Naseeruddin Shah thinks about ABFor your further reading,Why is Amitabh Bachchan so overrated?In my view he has skimmed the audience more than enough, now please retire him.What are some of the unknown facts about Amitabh Bachchan?Jaideep Singh Gill, took a few classes about him in collegeAnswered SatThat he was not that great at all.He was not the true star of the millienium.He was not the real sahenshah of Bollywood.He is not the best actor.He was never a one man industry.Amitabh also wears a wig.[1]Amitabh is not the son of Harivansh, he is not the brother of Ajitabh, they look nothing alike. He is the son of Nehru.He is among the most overrated actors (Sunny Deol, Madhavan etc) of Indian cinema.Everyone has their time but when was Amitabh’s time? In the 1960’s when he entered Bollywood with a flop? In the 1970’s when Rajesh Khanna, Manoj Kumar, Dharmendra Deol etc were ruling the roost? Or in the 1980’s when Dilip Kumar, Feroz Khan, Sanjay Dutt, Anil kapoor, Sunny Deol did better than him(Amitabh)? Even Rajesh performed better in the 80’s than amitabh. What about the 1990’s when the three khans started ruling and even Dharmendra’s son Sunny Deol was in the top five stars of that time and defeated amitabh in a box office clash? Sanjay Dutt in the 1990's was uncomparable. In the 2000’s & 2010’s…. well the lesser said the better.Black is an average film, amitabh’s acting was cringeworthy. Pink is overrated and the role Amitabh did was not special. Khakee was a multi-starrer with already well known actors, and Akshay performed better than Bachchan did in it.Even his son Abhishek was better in Sarkar (2005). Go watch Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag (2007), Boom (2003). God knows why these two films were done by Amitabh and yet people call him Sahenshah.

If you have any doubt, Connect with me via FB.IIM Ahmedabad - Year 2005Interview experience of: Rahul Abraham Mamman Background: http://B.Com Third Year. Also involved in my family business which includes a pharmacy and a health and beauty store. Academics: 10Th C.B.S.E 89.2 12TH C.B.S.E 86.4 http://B.Com 74 (But that’s because English and Hindi were added., CGPA would be 8.7 relative to the University topper) CAT Summary: OA-99.87, VA-99.09, QA-99.7, DI-97.55GD First was the GD. There were 2 girls and six guys including me. We were given about 20 minutes to interact before the interview, that was a good experience.The GD started off well, all of us spoke, contributed and our brainstorming seemed to be good. None of us seemed to be having any problem with each other. All points discussed were good and many were added on to the original points too.PI Then came the PI. I was number 8. I had not given my certificate copies yet. They told me that I should provide them at the time of my interview. So everyone had a decent interview with a Major C who apparently, had with 17 years of Army experience and 100 percentile in CAT. Finally it was my turn. One of the professors came out and called my name. I went in with a smile and wished them all, they all seemed nice guys.First question to me (I don’t remember who asked me what. I will try and provide below as accurate an account as possible).Q: What is one difficulty and one good thing about holding the GD PI at this venue, which is a new block? A: Sir, the good thing was that I could come through the underpass. Though I feel they could have had a straight passage but walking through the underpass was indeed a great experience and there were a lot of things about IIM A in that passage which were really informative. The only difficulty I encountered was that it was too far from the entrance and I did get a bit lost at first.Q: Are you from Ahmedabad? A: No Sir, I am from Cochin (The professor seemed a little surprised).Q: Why did you give IIM A as your centre? A: It has been my dream to be in IIM A. I have heard through people and read a lot about IIM A. I know it is the best institute and I wanted to experience it firsthand and get the feeling of being here. I also have a few friends in IIM A.Q: Did you do the same for IIM C? A: No sir, I have only done that for IIM A.Q: So what are you doing now? A: I am in my third year of http://B.Com.Q: What is your favorite subject? A: I m reasonably comfortable with Capital Markets.Q: What are capital markets? A: It is the market for the buying and selling of shares and Debentures. It is the market through which the capital for the companies is raised.Q: What is a stock?The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200511A: It is a certificate giving ownership of the company; the owner can be given dividends when the company makes profits.Q: Why do people give money for these pieces of paper like debentures? A: These debentures carry a fixed rate of return and the holders of these debentures will definitely get a certain fixed income in the form of money every year. It can also be of a redeemable form.Q: But why do they still accept these papers and nothing else is given? A: Sir, these certificates have legal validity and they can be enforced by law hence it is quite a safe instrument to invest in.Q: What is the IPO market? A: It‘s the market for Initial Public Offering and it is when the company issues shares for the first time.Q: What is Primary market? A: It includes private placements and IPO is a part of the Primary market.They asked me a little more in detail about the differences between Primary and IPO Markets. I told them that this is what I knew and was sure that there is more to it.Q: What are bonus shares? A: The shares issued by the company free of cost to its shareholders is known as bonus shares. They are issued sometimes in lieu of dividend when the company has not been paying any cash dividend.Q: Are bonus shares issued by companies which haven’t given any dividends so far? A: Not only that but it is also issued by companies which have a good deal of reserves after the capitalisation also, even if they have been giving a lot of dividends so far.Q: Are all share holders treated separately in terms of dividend payouts? A: No sir. The preference shareholders are treated differently. They get only a fixed rate of return on their shares.Q: What about the other share holders? Can a particular company not give dividend to a group of the shareholders? A: No that is not possible. All shareholders have to be given equal treatment and dividend if given, should be given to every single shareholder.Q: Suppose a company wants to make a fresh issue what will it do? A: It will have to approach the company law board get its permission and then can issue shares in the markets. It can go in for rights issue where the present owners are given the right to purchase the shares first.Q: What would your company do if you wanted to list in the stock exchange? A: First get the approval from the Company Law Board. Meet all legal requirements also approach the stock exchange and get permission so that you can list it on the stock exchange.Q: What is deferred tax? A: (I started speaking on accounting tax and stopped and said that I was not sure but I could speak about deferred revenue expenditure is, if needed.Q: Ok, but what is miscellaneous expenditure? A: I talked about what it is and how it comes about.Q: Which head does it come under? A: I said these are shown sometimes in the balance sheet under the asset side, these are actually fictitious assets.Q: What counterbalances it on the liability side? A: I don’t know that sir. (I used my hand to show the side on the balance sheet and they joked about it and I smiled too.)Q: What is your family business? A: It is a pharmacy in Cochin sir. We also have a lifestyle store which stocks baby care, cosmetics, perfumes and a lot of Ayurvedic stuff.Q: What is the return on investment? A: The ROI is about 20 percent.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200512Q: What are the trade deals given in Cochin for the pharmacy? A: The pharmacy is given 30 days of credit and also 4 percent discount on ready cash.Q: What role does the association play in the state? A: (I talked about the margins we get because of the association)Q: What is the margin in the other states? A: Same margins in Kerala.Q: How does the association help then? A: It makes sure that we get 20 percent margin on a new product and old margins exist. Also because of our association, we can return our medicines on time of expiry and within three months and get the money back.Q: Why do you have two different stores, can’t you have them together? A: I talk about numerological reasons and also about two different classes of customers being attracted to different shops.Q: How does the second store works? A: I explained it is a volume business with high value low number of bills at all.Q: How are your margins normally? A: About 18-20 percent.Q: So is that what you meant by ROI? A: I explained saying that it is not what I meant and told them the original ROI was indeed correct.Q: What do you mean by the Tie and Die method? A: I don’t know about that Sir.Q: How is curd made? A: (I gave milk and curd gyaan)Q: Which of it has microbes? A: Curd.Q: Are they alive? A: I think Sir.Q: What is this process called? A: Fermentation.Q: How is it related to the Pharma industry?A: (I knew about Insulin). It can be used to make red wine capsules. I talked about how the dried powder is made into the capsule form.Q: What are these used for? A: For preventing heart diseases.Q: How is the powder made? A: By drying it up after the fermentation process.Q: How it is made into the capsule? A: The powder is then encapsulated.Q: What are your other interests? A: I m a member of the Numismatic Society (They confirmed whether it was about coins itself ).Q: Why do you collect coins? A: It’s a passion, knowledge gathering experience (gave more gyaan).Q: Where do you get the coins from? A: From the antique shops and also by exchanging with friends in my society.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200513Q: Which is the oldest coin that you have seen? A: A BC silver roman coin.Q: Didn’t you picked it up? A: Sir it was too expensive and I didn’t had Rs 3,500 at that time.Q: Is it still there in that shop? A: I have not gone for some time to that shop. I’m not too sure sir.Q: So tell us what have you learnt about coins? A: Where and which countries ruled others, the cultures for eg. France ruled Algeria...(I really don’t know why I said that).Q: Where is Algeria? A: North Africa.Q What is its currency? A: Francs.Q: When did Algeria got its independence? A: I don’t know for sure sir...(One of the panelists asked what was the point in collecting coins if I did not know the date of independence of Algeria. I defended myself by giving information on a lot on commorative coins and their importance).Q: What are these double metal coins? (Coins with two colours) A: I explained to them and then one of the panelists asked me about any contemporary double metal coin that I might know. I talked about the euro and the 2 pound coins which are double metal coins.Q: Did you win the table tennis title for the district? A: Yes Sir. He asked for my certificates, looked at them all and said that I had done extra stuff only in school.Then I showed him my College (Commerce) stuff but added that since I did not have the certificates, Idid not write much about it. They seemed satisfied I don’t know why.Overall it was a purely knowledge-based interview.(Converted and Joined IIMA)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200514Interview experience of: Vikas Kumar Background: IIT Kanpur Academics:CPI 8.4 99.99 percentile Six CallsGD Since we were only six people (2 people did not come ) and one did not speak, we had ample time. I made few good entries and would rate the performance as OK.PI Three panel members....P1, P2, P3. P1 used to smile a lot, P2 kept looking at my certificates and P3 did not seem to be interested! P1: So Vikas many IITK students have come today? Have you studied together? A: Yes sir, everyone has been called today only. No, I have done self study for CAT (lied big time). P1: Ok. let say I have to find out the number of individuals getting calls from at least one IIM. How will you estimate the number? A; Sir, I will take the data of coaching institutes, (explained a bit. But I had a flaw in my logic which was pointed out by him). I took some 15 seconds after that) and then said that I would do some sampling. I will make segments of different percentiles and different profiles. Based on the sample I could extrapolate the value. P1: Smiling, Ok, so what will be the sample size? A: Sir, since I presume that the estimation need not be very accurate, a sample size of 5% of the population seems good to me. P1: seemed satisfied. Ok what is the time complexity of quick sort? A: talked of worst case and average case. P1: (Then asked me 3-4 counter questions on algorithm time complexity). A: (I answered all well and confidently (I guess!) P2: Vikas, we have heard so much of developed economy. What defines an economy as developed one? A: (I spoke about the Human Development Index) P2: What is per capita income? A: GDP/Population later said it’s NNP/Population P2: What is the difference between GDP and NNP? A: (I Answered correctly) P2: Name the top 3 country with the highest per capita income? A: Sir, I do not know but at least one Scandinavian country is there. P2: What are Scandinavian countries? A: Norway, Finland and Sweden. P2: Are you sure? A: Yes Sir (later came to know that Denmark is also there) P2: Name the state with the lowest literacy rate? A: Bihar P2: What is the literacy rate of Bihar? A: 47 % P2: Female and Male literacy rate of Bihar? A: Around 35-40 % for females and 55% for males.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200515P2: Name another basis to distinguish between literacy rates? A: Since Bihar is quite caste and class conscious, this can be a good basis (wanted further discussion but they had other ideas). P2: Hightest literacy? A: Kerala P2: Second Highest Literacy rate? A: Mizoram. P2: Highest literacy rate? P2: What is the literacy rate? A: Around 90 %(88% is the correct answer). P2: He did not seem to be satisfied P3: (wakes up from his sleep) Name two active areas of research in computer science? A: (I spoke about grid computing and next generation of computers based on AI.) P3 and P1: What is intelligence or AI? A: Sir, since I have not done any course on AI, I may not be accurate but I think it is anything that mimics human intelligence should be an intelligent system (what a stupid answer!), and then talked of neural networks which I had heard from my friend at IITK. P3: Suppose you are sent to a village what will be the power source for your computer? A: Sir, solar power though I am not very sure? P3: Why you are not sure? A: May not be economically feasible. P3: Ok. go on! A: Sir, UPS. P3: How will that be recharged? A: Sir, solar power. P3: Any other power source? A:I can’t think of any other source. P3: Should there be promotion of IT in villages? A: Yes sir. P3: Why? A: Weather reports and cropping patterns. P3: One can get the same information from newspapers? A: Sir, but it will not be real time weather report? P3: (Amused) Do you mean to say that if there is going to rain in the next hour, you will change the cropping pattern. A: Realised my mistake... and tried to cover it up by talking of getting good market information about the inputs for farming and the final produce. P3: But if the people are not literate how will they use them? A: Sir, we can have a system installed for a group of villages and an operator for each system. A villager can approach the operator to get any information. P3: Ok, give me the speed of the fastest memory?The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200516A: (Did not get what he was saying, took some time and assuming something I came out with some answer after some analysis. Was expecting them to pound me after this but it seemed either they did not know or they were not interested in the answer.) P3: Integrate (e)^(e)^x? A: Was not expecting and did some stupid rough work. P3: (Quickly taking the sheet back) Do you like maths? A: Yes Sir. P2: Why did your CPI decrease in the 3rd year? A: Talked of my projects. P2: Can you justify such a steep fall (7.8 in 3rd year and 9.0 in 1st and 2nd year) based on your projects. A: (Gave some more crap) P1: Vikas, you got a 38 rank in IIT and 0.1 % merit certificate in English? Which do you think is a greater achievement? A: IIT has opened lots of opportunities for me (and gave some more crap) P1: Talk about your personal satisfactions. A: (Gassed some more). P1: (Smiling) Thank you! P2: Ok. One last question. Name the states through which river Kaveri passes? A: Tamil Nadu and Karnataka? P2: AP? A: Not sure, but probably a narrow stretch P1: (Smiling) what about Kerala and Maharashtra? A: No Sir P1: Ok, thanks. Seeing that they have not offered me chocolates, I started taking oneP2 I am sorry please take two. A: Thanks sir.That was it. I committed far too many blunders and was expecting some questions on current affairs, my projects and BTP. This is the only hope after a truly disastrous performance in IIM C.(Converted the call, Joined IIMA)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200517Interview experience of: PaGuYGD: Case was about a bicycle manufacturer wanting to manufacture racing cycles. Advertisement has Ajay Jadeja saying "This is the only muscle I use" (pointing to his thumb). You are the MD and you have to either change the ad or continue with it. What would you do?Had a decent GD. Everyone was pretty active but nobody really dominated. Not a fish market but could have become one had people gone one step further.PI:(P1, P2, P3 are the people on the interview panel and M stands for me) Some confusion about my form. They picked up Gaurav's form instead of Saurabh's. Finally resolved. P1: So Saurabh, now that all confusion about your Blue form is resolved, what are you doing currently? M: Sir I am doing an internship at blah blah blah. P1: (looking at the form): Why did you leave the other company? You have also taken a paycut? It’s almost half your original salary. M: Sir I would have liked to stay with my previous. P1: Oh so they threw you out? You were fired?? M: Sir, they were sending me to Israel for a period of 6 months and P1: So you should have gone na. You could have made some good bonuses and saved a lot of money. M: Yes sir, but that did not match with my long term goal. If I had gone there I would not have been able to appear for the interview. P1: Oh, you could have gone and just asked us. We could have taken your interview on a weekend. Just come back on a weekend, give your interview and go back. With the technology and communication blah blah. P2: hmm.. but you would have had to come for half a dozen interviews. M (just for a second I got confused what half a dozen means ): Yes sir. P1: No, how much time does it take to fly from here to Israel? M: Sir I am not sure, but my guess would be somewhere between 7-8 hours. P1: So you could have come easily na M (Thought about asking "would you pay for it!"): Sir I am not sure my manager would have allowed me to come back six times. P1 to P3: You can take his. I will join in later. (Silence. No one's saying anything and I am staring at P2) (Then P3 shows one of my certificates from IIMA to P1). P1: Oh, so did you visit IIMA for this. M: Sir, this was the Level 1 competition wherein we had to just give the idea. P1: But you would have come for the award ceremony. M: Sir, we were informed late and hence could not make it to the award ceremony. P1: Oh, so you don’t even know whether you actually won or not? M: Sir, P1: But the prizes weren't declared immediately? M: Sir, this was the idea presentation wherein we had to give the business plan summary and based on that, results were declared 2 months later. P1: Oh otherwise I would have known you.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200518P2: So Saurabh, have you worked on your idea further. M: Sir I have talked to a few people about my idea. But I realise that I need to develop business skills before I start my company. I know the technology is good. I know my idea has commercial potential. So I don’t want to waste it. I want to market it properly. There are aspects of business I have no clue about hence after acquiring business skills I will start my company. P1: Oh. So do you have any classmates at IIMA? M: No sir. But I know a few seniors and a few juniors at IIMA. P1: Did you talk to them. M: Sir I've spoken to one of my seniors there and I have also spoken to a couple of IIMA pass outs in my company.(a big silence again). P2: So you've done electrical engineering. Have you done any courses on basic Physics? M (very reluctantly): Yes Sir. I've done a course on mechanics and a course on Electromagnetic. (After a pause) and a course on quantum mechanics. P2: Something to do with theory of relativity? P2: So Saurabh, a lot of people define Theory of Relativity saying that everything is relative. Isn’t that very superficial? M: Sir, I do not remember much about the Theory of Relativity, but yes. P2: repeats the question. M: Yes Sir, defining it that way would be very superficial. P2: So how would you define it? M: Sir, I do not remember much about it. P2: OK. Tell me about the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. M: Sir, at the most basic level it says that the product of Energy and position of a particle has an uncertainty associated with it. I do not remember the value of the constant but.. P2: OK. So what’s so basic about it? How else can you define it? M: Sir I am not sure, but uncertainty is associated with some other (quantities) as well. P2: OK. Who gave the periodic table? M: (I thinks for a while) Sir, I don’t remember. P3: OK Saurabh, you know about the population of India and China. They have highest populations. But there is some difference with their population control policy? M: Sir, in China they have the 1 child norm. We in India had the 2 child norm. What they say "Hum do hamare do" but now we are also moving towards the one child norm. P3: Any other difference? P3: In the way they implement their 1 child norm and we our "Hum do hamare do ' M: (Was not really sure it was about the forceful implementation in China) Blank P3: Ok Saurabh, now let’s say over a period of 25 years China avoids 200 million child births. You know the severe punishments they have and penalties. So what effect will it have on the economy? M: (Start explaining the inverted pyramids and then talk about productivity (use it in place of product) and then correct it to product). I am assuming that the productivity i.e. the technology remains the same. So productivity is constant. P3: Is that right to assume it?The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200519M: No Sir. That would be a bad assumption to make. In fact I would like the technology to grow at a good rate. But Sir even if we assume that the productivity has increased, we can safely assume that the needs of the people would also have increased. P3: So what happens then? M: (I explains the inverted pyramid again) P2: Saurabh you've written about these dramatics and cultural events and managing people and conflict resolving. How do you resolve conflicts? M: Sir, resolving conflicts is all about... Sir actually it is much better to avoid conflicts than to resolve them. If everyone is given due hearing and due importance there will be no conflict. P2: Yes, but that would be an ideal situation. That doesn't happen in real life. Does it? How did you resolve conflicts? M: Sir I agree it doesn’t happen in real life. I believe in talking to people and making their colleagues and friends talk to them. In fact I was lucky that in this particular case only 2-3 conflicts were there. I believe that one should resolve the conflicts as soon as they come to your notice. Because if a person sulks then he only aggravates the injury. I would talk to him and make him realise the common goal rather than the personal goals. P1: So what are you working on currently? P2: He's working for blah blah. P1: Yes, but that is only for a very short period. He's not expected to know much about it. What were you working on earlier? M: Sir I was working for blah blah earlier. Now, I am working for blah blah and doing a project for blah blah (It was very clear I wanted them to ask questions about my present work). P1: But you've joined recently na. We should ask you about your previous job. P2: What were you doing there? You talk about some presentations, demonstrations, competitive product evaluation? What is this competitive evaluation?? M: (I explained). P1: OK, so you've done this Dual degree. What is it? M: Sir, it’s a five year course and after 5 years you get both B.Tech and M.Tech degrees. P1: So what have you? You got an electrical engineering degree? M (I am clearly trying to avoid questions on Electrical): Sir I've done M.Tech in Microelectronics. P1: But B.Tech is in electrical engineering. M: Sir, the main. P1: You must have done some courses in electrical engineering. M: Yes sir (very reluctantly). P1: So tell me about Kirchhoff’s Law. M: (I explain with paper and pen) P1: No, don’t draw any circuits. We'll do that later. M: I explains. P1: So draw any LCR circuit. Put one of them in parallel. Apply AC source. Now apply KVL and KCL. M: (I write the equations). P1: So how will you solve these equations? M: Sir, we can solve it by using Laplace Transforms. P1: How?The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200520M: Sir, we'll first transform them into Laplace domain. P1: What is domain? What transform? M: Sir, currently they are in time domain. P1: What domain? M: Sir currently they vary with time. They are a function of time. P1: That I've already told you. P1: Don't give me all your domains and stuff. How will you solve it? M: Sir, we can either solve it directly by solving the differential equations in time domain or by Laplace Transform. P1: So what sort of equation will you solve? M: Sir they will be 2nd order differential equations. P1: How? M: Sir when we substitute the 2nd equation into the 1st one, we get a double differential. P1: Anything else about these equations? What sort of a solution do you expect? M: Sir, something like e^(at). P1: No don’t assume anything. Did I give you anything about the voltage? What sort of equation are these? M; Sir they are linear differential equations. P1: Anything else about them? You've done a lot of courses in maths. In fact you've a special course on differential equations. P1: Do you remember simple equations? M: No sir. P1: Why is this equation simple? M: (I say nothing) P1: OK. Tell me about your other method. Don’t give me your domains and transforms. M: Sir can I take a minute to think? P1: Yes but don’t take more than 1 minute. P2: (walks out). P1: Do you mind sharing with me what you are writing? M: Sir we will first multiply the whole equation by e^ (-st) and then integrate with respect to it. P1: Tell me 2 properties about Laplace Transform and then you can go. (pauses). OK Tell me one. M: (I say nothing) P1: No? OK you can go. Take your toffee. P3: Best of luck for the other interviews. M: Thank you sir. (I forgets to pick the toffee)I know it wasn’t a good interview. Just hope they were not just testing the subject knowledge.(Converted, joined IIMA)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200521Interview experience of: khotahimachalli Academics: 10th--88.4 CBSE 12th--90.8 CBSE (PCM) GRAD (BE Electronics)--till now 80 %--university topper CAT--99.77--A B K only due to 89 in DI.PI: So now, something about my PI. There were 3 persons, (no female) on the panel I will refer to them as SI (for the South Indian chap around 36 yrs old, bearded ‘n’ all. He ushered me in and then was absent for about for 5 mins. ONG (for the old person who seemed like a nice guy, very soft spoken and intellectual looking, probably a Bong. MTE (for the moustached tech expert, should be around 47 years of age asked loads of question on technology. Oops! forgot to add myself KH (for khotahimachali)Now I entered the room dot at 11 0'clock and too my seat. ONG: so Mr. Kaushik you have come all the way from Nagpur to Delhi?? KH: Yes Sir I have (shhh what a first question) ONG: Why?? KH: Sir, Mumbai which is nearest to Nagpur, is not a center (are kisi ko malum hai kya why?? ) MTE: (Interrupts in between) what about Ahmedabad?? KH: I discussed about how Delhi is known to me since I am from Himachal Pradesh and have been to Delhi loads of time, it is also near (some 3.33 hrs) ONG: So what is your Final year project on ?? KH: (Mare gaye..though earlier sacred lambs had talked about this particular ceremony at the altar, so was prepared) Image Processing Sir. ONG: Very interesting! Being a mechanical engineer why did you take it?? KH: Sir, but I am an electronics engineer!(what is this ???) ONG: Oohhh. Will ask about the project later. At this moment tell us about some latest developments in the electronics field?? KH: (Yaar, I cannot describe in words how glad I was on being let off the project thing)in communication or core electronics? ONG: Anything, do you know about nanotechnology?? KH: No Sir ONG: Heard of N-log, it is a company KH: Naah ONG: Ok. Ok. Tell me about Bluetooth KH: Well, I know about Bluetooth, IrDA, ISDN....First of all let me tell you about Bluetooth..(blah blah blah loads of gyaan for around 4 minutes with them appearing quite interested though I myself had started getting bored. Iin the meantime, SI came in and asked for my certificates from MTE who had gone through them earlier. Taking this opportunity MTE barges into the interview.MTE: So which subject did you like the best?? KH: (Ab bakra katega:grab:) Microprocessors..MTE: why?? KH: Because I like it. (I said something about it being contemporary).MTE: Contemporary. (Looks at other panelists with an evil smile playing on his lips)--so what latest processors do you know about?? KH: told them about RISC ones like PAT-100, supersparc and others.MTE: what about P4?? KH: Sir I know not much in detail just the basic architecture.MTE: Go on KH: (I told them about bus and address lines..was asked some on bus-what it is and some more..don’t remember exactly)MTE: So do you have any idea about the number of transistors on the chip of P4(this followed because I said something about VLSI)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200522KH: Sir I don’t know exactly but around 10^12 I guessMTE: Give me some name for that quantity? KH: Million, BillionMTE: Some other KH: 1000 giga??(The panel laughs)KH: (Sheepishly now) I recall it vis teraMTE: So what is the size of the chip?? KH: Around 5cm*3.5*1mm (just said some numbers) actually the processor chip looks like (and showed them by drawing in the air the approx size)MTE: (From my aerial drawing) are you sure that much is 5 cm?? KH: No sir I think I was wrong then, it is around 1.5 inchesMTE: how much is an inch?? KH: It is 2.54 cms (now I am thinking yeh kahan aa gaye hum!!!)SI: Also in your form you have said that you filling this form is no small fry (this I had given in the accomplishment question) KH: Yup Sir, (gave SOME gyaan ABOUT IIM a being great institute and as a third person you rely on surveys and that recently it figured in top 100 of world...)SI: Which survey? KH: I do not recall sirSI: Anyone will say anything to you and you will believe it?? KH: Naah (am I that a moron ). I read in a reputed magazine and just cannot recall the name of the survey company.MTE: So 10^12 transistors on 5*3.5 area chip!!! KH: Yes sir, use of VLSI and nanotech enables thatMTE: Ok, take this piece of paper and calculate how much area each transistor will get?? KH: (I did it and got something like 10^-16 for each)MTE: What is the radii of an atom?? KH: I do not know exactly but somewhat in range of angstroms.MTE: So what is an angstrom?? KH: Around 10^-10 cmMTE: So we are getting less area than an atom. How do P4 people make it happen? KH: Sir as I mentioned earlier I do not know much about P4 --we only studied 8085 in my college (Smiles around the panel)SI: You still study 8085?? KH: (With a shrug--oye mai ki karan je college ke pas paise nahin hain:huh: ??)yup we do?ONG: Can you tell me about its architecture? KH: (I again go on a rampage for around 2 minutes and lots of questions were asked in between about multiplexing of buses and the lot. I would not dare to mention here nahin to baki junta maregi. Electronics guys can PM me if that interested...)SI: So, in your form you have written one of your favorite authors is ENID BLYTON?? (the whole panel is again smiling--am I a joker ?) KH: Yes sir she is !!!SI: But she writes children's books KH: Sir I am still very much a child and besides she writes really great.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200523SI: So which series of hers do you like best? KH: Famous fiveSI: Can you name them? KH: (I did that)SH: So are these books good for children?? KH: Yes sir they are. S: Explain KH: Well, as a beginner (blah blah and ended with that she writes about food a lot and children love food...)SI: Do they really?? KH: Well Sir, I like and still do a lot and my friend circle did..(again smiles all around--mai aisa kyun hoon??)SI: So do you know any author of children's books from India?? KH: Uhhhhh there is this author who lives in Mussorie --yaahh Ruskin BondSI: Is he an Indian? KH: Yup he took Indian citizenship long time back...SI: Any other? KH: nahhSI: Well there has been someone who has been in the news recently regarding Indian citizenship KH: Yup it was Tasleema Nasreen.SI: Who is she? KH: (I gave stuff about her and talked about the controversy about her book..seeing the look on SI's face said --"but I do not know the name of her book" (again smiles all around--man I am fed up of this)SI: So you have written in your form about heat stroke (I had given some stuff about how in Nagpur I usually get heat strokes once every year--this in response to some problem question). Can you explain to me about it?? KH: (Gave some gyan about what happens to me when I have it)SI: Not about general public, the theory behind it? KH: (I gave some crap about heat flow and all in the end said I did not know. I just have loads of headaches... (Look at each other and decide the poor chap has had enough...)ONG: So you may leave now--(points to the toffee bowl--now I have a question while I was waiting for my turn everyone had said that they were giving chocolates so I was waiting for some Dairy Milk or atleast a Perk, but these were plain old Eclairs--sheesh)--take some. MOI TAKES ONE ONG: Come on take one more.. KH: (I cannot say I hate Eclairs --so take 2/3 more and leave after doing the usual BS)It took 21 minutes and 38 seconds and I liked it--the panel was nice and helped me along. I kept my mug beaming with smiles at times and never stressed out.Also would like to mention one thing. M father saw some IIFT seniors rushing to their classes with dry bread pieces in their mouths and not even a dollop of jam or sauce in it and sheesh talking of breakfast, bread..Yuk I hate bread... peeps n is this the scenario in B-schools that you do not get time to eat properly even..mujhe dar lag raha hai. I love my food.... and it seems if I get through any B-school I am going to disappear in thin air--my father was having a good laugh over it all the way back ..(Converted, joined IIMA)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200524Interview experience of: cattysylvesterAcademics: I scored a 98.88 %ile in CAT (EU 99.54, Q:96.35 DI: 71.92). X : 91.4% XII : 89% Graduated last year. B Com (H). Aggregate of 66%. No work experience. Decent extra-curricular (but no Qs asked: huh:)Hey everyone,I had my IIMA GD and interview today at 2:00 pm. It seems today was a day reserved for the non-engineers as all the people I met were either with commerce or economics background. This is going to be a long post, so I better get right to the point.I was in a group of nine people; I was at number 4. Three girls, rest non-girls . The case was a simple one with not too many figures. X comes to India in 1947, starts a sweet shop. He sources his raw materials from two close friends. Business is successful. Costs increase over the years, but X does not increase prices very much; so profits are dipping. X’s son Y is an MBA grad or something. Last diwali, X hands over family business to Y. Y immediately switches to two other suppliers who offer him good discounts. Y’s daughter Z has a party at school. Y provides packed sweets for 270 kids. By midnight, 30 have fallen ill and are hospitalised. Principal and parents are up in arms. Former threatens legal action against Y. What should Y do?I began the GD and outlined a basic structure for discussion. We discussed the long term and short term remedies pretty well. I brought in a couple of not very-original-but-as-yet-unstated ideas. Group tended to get a little repetitive especially after one girl suggested we summarise the remedies. I don’t think we were expected to summarise but one can’t have a debate over that in the course of a GD, right?In fact, after a couple of minutes of diversion, I stupidly ended up suggesting the same thing (shooting myself, I tell you!). Anyway, our time was up and we were asked to summarise. Despite all the warnings at PG, I still couldn’t finish mine! :huh:Anyway, exit group and long wait for the interview. First guy from my group was asked the hundred-rupeenote question! Amazing…Don’t IIM profs know about PG?? Anyway, he was also told to get both sides of his degree certificates photocopied, so all of us also rushed to do the same. I think we all had a pretty good time waiting. Of course, there was the usual excitement as soon as someone came out of the interview room, but otherwise we kept joking around and pulling each other’s legs in the waiting area. Candidate number 3 was real fun and brought everyone’s stress levels down. (Thanks, R! Too bad you got stress-interviewed yourself!!)Anyway, time for me to go in. Three member panel. (L to R)South Indian Smiley Chappie (SISC), Main Guy (MG), and Boring-but-Decent-Guy (BDG). Me: Good Afternoon, Sirs SISC: Have a seat. I do so and say thanks. MG: So you’ve heard from others about the interview? Me: I smile MG: Yes, no or maybe? Me: Yes, sir. MG: So how are you feeling- better or worse? Me: Much the same (smiling) SISC: So you did the corrective action too? Me: Oh, you mean the photocopies? Yes, Sir. SISC: What subjects did you score highest in?The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200525Me: Financial management, accountancy, costing and some others that I liked but did not score as well.SISC: Oh, you got _ (high) in costing and __ (low) in management…… Me: Yes, and ironically I like management!MG: You had a paper on management concepts? Me: It was actually ‘Management concepts and practices’MG: What concepts did they teach you? Me: Well, more about development of management thought and about managerial functions like planning, organising, directing and controlling.SISC: Why didn’t you do a job after graduation? Me: Sir, I thought about that and decided I had to gain some more knowledge to be able to work at the jobs I want to work at.MG: Okay, what is activity-type/level costing? Me: (Taking some wild guess). Do you mean operating costing? (Explains the same)MG: Okay, taking your example, how would you account for costs of a hospital? Say, there are four nurses, one receptionist and one doctor? Me: Consider costs like heating, lighting, electricity, rent of building (darn, just remembered---forgot to mention stationery), salaries of employees, cost of medical supplies (depending on patients etc..MG: Anything else? Me: (I thinks and mumble) Don’t think so…MG: And you divide this by the total number of beds? Me: Not necessarily, could divide it by number of occupied beds too (I explain why)MG: What if there is an ICU ward? Me: Oh, you mean there are different kinds of beds?MG: Yes. Me: Some costs would be common, and others can be charged accordingly.MG: What about doctor’s salary? Me: Could be allocated on the basis of number of beds in each ward.MG: Any other basis? Me: Time spent in each ward (gives example and explains)MG: What is a ‘run-on-a-bank’? Me: (I looks clueless)MG: Not heard of bank run? Me: No Sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.MG: heard about the budget? What is this fiscal deficit? Is it good or bad? Me: (Wildly guessing) A small level may not be bad as it indicates we are a developing nation and have developmental expenses; on the other hand, a growing deficit may mean we are not planning financing of our expenditure properly. So it has both good and bad elements to it.MG: What is FDI? Me: (I give the full form and explains in layman terms)MG: What about when Indians invest abroad? What is that? Me: It’s FDI for the respective countries.BDG: Okay, why did you drop one year? (I have a ‘discontinuity’ problem)The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200526Me: (I give some standard answer, mentions things like ‘it was a rebellious mistake’, ‘I was a passive follower of advice rather than active decider’, ‘IT was booming then’)BDG: It’s not good now? Me: Well, it went through a slump but it’s doing much better now.(SISC has been scribbling a standard costing question all this while and hands me the sheet and asks me to account for the variance in profit) Me: ( totally zapped--can barely remember chapter, let alone formulae!, borrows SISC’s pen) SISC: (Seeing that I have turned to stone) You can think aloud. Me: (I do so and gives some simplistic explanation combined with some very slow arithmetic) SISC: So, only these two factors for variance? Me: (SISC almost leads me to the next factor and I thankfully mention that too. I mumble something about having done this an year ago and not being so good at it now, all this with an apologetic smile)BDG: You have mentioned that you took a part in an anti-pollution thing… Is there anything going on about pollution these days? Me: Yes, sir. Kyoto protocol has come into effect recently. BDG: What is that? Me: (I explain) BDG: What will implementation mean? Me: (explains) BDG: Have all countries signed it? Me: Actually, USA hasn’t which is ironic since it’s the biggest offender. BDG: Is Delhi more polluted now than it was, say five years ago? Me: Don’t know in terms of actual data but state government has taken steps like conversion to CNG, planting trees etc.BDG: But with highways etc. allowing more vehicles, aren’t emissions increasing? Me: (Thinking of Delhi) But highways are necessary for development also. I think the problem could be migration too….BDG: (interrupts) What? Me: Migration, sir BDG: No, no. I’m talking about the nation not Delhi. Me: Okay. BDG: So you think pollution is a price we pay for development? Me: (Couldn’t have framed it better myself) Yes, sir; it seems so. BDG: Is it necessary to pay this price? Me: No Sir and that is why we try to reduce pollution as much as possible. BDG: How? Can you think of examples? Me: Sir, I believe in China, cycles are given a lot of importance as modes of transportation (actually don’t know this for fact, wonder if it’s true?) Also, automobile companies are now developing solar charged vehicles etc.BDG: What can governments do? Me: Give more incentives to auto companies to keep developing eco-friendly vehicles… BDG: If you are a manager in an MNC, will you go to work on a cycle? Me: No, Sir. I would use a solar powered vehicle!The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200527BDG: Oh, you have that kind of money? We don’t get that much! Me: Well, I’ll be working in an MNC, so maybe (I smile) It also depends on what cost the company is willing to manufacture such a vehicle at.SISC, BDG and MG look at each other and say ‘Okay, thank you’ Me: (Getting up) Thank you, sirs. I hope to see you again. <smile>EXITDid not convert the call, joined SIBM PunePaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200528IIM Ahmedabad - Year 2006 Interview experience of: snova Gave my A GD/PI today...putting just the PI here..me very tired..case study koi aur daal dega...my case study wasn’t good.ProfileFinal year B.E. student in CSE from MBM Engg College, Jodhpur (affiliated to Jai Narain Vyas University.)AcademicsX - 83.8% XII - 77.2%B.E. I - 74.88 II - 75.83 III - 76.00 (consistent huh?)CAT percentileQA - 97.15%ile, VA - 99.77%ile, DI - 93.33%ile Overall 99.77%ileExtra- Curriculars - Not many prizes but I took part in many events and initiatives.First things first, I look like a kid..and that’s what they probably thought when they saw me. Also, my case study performance wasn’t good...was a bit nervous and shaky there..I was the 3rd in my panel..other two guys had OK interviews..mostly techie ones.But because of my nervous bachcha look..and high fundas in my form, they decided to stress test me.3 guys.. SB (Sincere Boodha), KM , GS (Green Shirt). They were sitting left to right in the conference room in above order.GS - So you are from Jai Narain Vyas University..who was Jai Narain Vyas? Me - Former CM of Rajasthan.GS - When did the university get its name? Me: 1962..err..it was founded in 1962, at that time called Jodhpur University..and name was changed sometime in the 1970s .... (GS was least interested).SB - Who was Girija Vyas? Me - I am not sure but she was from the Congress. (which turned out to be correct).SB - Did she have any relation with Jai Narain Vyas? Me - I have no idea (I was then told that she was his daughter probably).SB - Where was she from ? Me - I am not sure but Rajasthan only. (She is from Udaipur...so at least I am not wrong)GS -What are your long term goals? Me - Try to fart about why MBA.GS - Now tell me your long term goals.. Me: I have not formulated what I am gonna do after my MBA.GS - But what are your long term goals? (this happens a bit..but GS is simply not listening to any funda I am throwing..he is simply cutting me again and again). (I knew now that they were trying to stress me out..maine kaha beta yahan funde maarne se kuch nai hoga...aaja aukaad par...dropped all pretensions.) Me - Sir I want to do something for the society in the long run.The Education Network GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200629GS (now he listened..saying the truth always has that effect) - You have done a lot of events in college..do you think college life is like real life? Me - Yes sir.GS - Are they exactly the same? Me - No sir they are not EXACTLY the same..GS - So..you agree that college life is like real life but its not exactly the same..or are you saying its different? (ek baar bol to diya ki they are not exactly the same..!!) Me - Sir from what experience I have had, I do believe they are close and related..but not exactly the same.GS - How are they same? Me - Real life also involves dealing with people and all...(this is a sort of funda and his interest drops).GS - Have you watched the movie Rang De Basanti? (I had an intuition that somehow I may be asked that question, but hadn’t prepared or needed to prepare anything as such) Me - Yes Sir.GS - So the college life..like yours, and its the same in the movie..is that like real life? (here he starts mocking..and does that a lot during the interview, me reminded of aamir's dialog - "university gate ke is paar hum life to nachate hain..aur us paar life humko nachati hai")..you say you have done a lot of things in college, designing posters, websites, and organising things...they must also have done that..dance parties and all? How is that gonna help? (He is almost laughing). Me (now serious, and looked directly in his eyes at one point) - Sir I have never organised a dance party. I started a students club to help my college mates..most of my college mates are from small towns and they can’t speak well in English, and that hampers their performance in Campus Interviews. Though I don’t have very good communication skills either, but I am better than them and held GDs and sessions to help them and that gave me a lot of satisfaction and then I realised that I wanted to do something for the people. (yeh hui na baat..now he stopped laughing..).SB - Only for the people or for yourself too? Me (smile) - Yes sir for me too.Now KM breaks in..KM - So you said you want to learn about businesses.. (This was in my forced why MBA fundas)..how can business help the society? Me - Sir business creates jobs and wealth...gave example of Narayan Murthy's Infosys Foundation.KM- Do you think all businessmen are like Narayan Muthy? Me - No sir..but still...KM - Do you think you can be like Narayan Murthy? Me (looked at him and said honestly) - Maybe I can.KM - Why not go for politics or an NGO or something like that.. (beech beech mei GS koi comment maar maarke hansta ja ra tha..but he was trying to psyche out the wrong guy) Me - (Was saying something about no interest in politics...but ate it midway..he too wasn’t interested in that...)then said maybe I will go for an NGO..told about how other guys from IIMs had gone for NGOs..and even an NGO needs management..people management, finances have to be managed..told something about how a structured education would help me in that...they finally are a bit convinced..may be at my forced use of the word structure . KM - So what type of business do you want to start to help people? Me - Haven’t decided that yet sir...I want to learn more first..KM - What will you learn in management that will help you? Me - Told people management type fundas and structured education types.KM now shifts to academics...KM (looking at first year mark sheets) - hmm..Engg mathematics, electrical engg, civil, mech.. Me - Sir they are 1st year mark sheets..PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200630KM - Ok I will not ask chemistry then..(huh??) KM - Ok did you have a course in management, I cant find it.. (I knew it would come..and wasn’t prepared, I had studied that subject in 1.2 days before exam)GS (with a smirk) - Was it an elective? Did you take it?KM - But I think management course is compulsory. (mujhko kuch bolne doge?) Me - Yes sir it wasn’t an elective..it was a compulsory subject.KM - So what did you study in it? (yeh to poochana hi tha). Me - Sir only the basics..the various types of organizations...ABC Analysis (again knew they would ask that).KM - So tell us about ABC analysis.. Me - It is about categorizing things into A,B and C levels of priority..I don’t remember much..GS gives some fart examples about classifying various things into ABC...and laughs...I too smile and make no response as such.KM - So which subjects did you like in BE? (abb mara beta, again hadn't prepared this well..what a nut I am). Me - Told about discrete math and basic LOGIC part of digital electronics.(my logic is ok..so I was hoping they would catch that..they didnt).KM - But what about your core subjects? Me - Sir but discrete math is a core subject..and it’s used in all high level design in CS.KM - Okay what is predicate logic? Me - (could not articulate the answer well..this was one time when I was in a fix in the interview...I should have prepared DM better, clearly said that I cant give a precise definition)KM - Did you study graphs in DM? Me - No sir.KM - Ok, which language uses predicate logic? Me - Prolog.KM - Tell me the differences between prolog and C. Me - Some fundas about high and low level languages...discussed a bit on that..rule base and all that...but was never very convincing.KM - Okay have you studied databases? What about 3rd and 4th Gen languages? Me - (Didn’t remember about 3rd Gen languages, told about database languages being the 4th level languages)KM - Why are they different? Me - They have added facility to manage databases..KM - But if I add a library to C, even that can be a 4th generation language then, we can always use structures to manipulate databases in C. Me - Sir but in C that would be a lot more complicated..structures are complicated..4th generation languages are not that complicated and one can easily manipulate databases through them.KM - What all languages did you learn in your course? Me - C/C++, CORE Java and prolog.KM - That’s all? Me - Yes sir..(ab SB ki baari..he was also trying to laugh a bit).SB - So what do you do apart from organising events? Me - I enjoy reading (This was there in the form too).SB - What do you like to read? (abb aayi ball mere paale mein..so I thought)PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200631Me - I read Philosophy..mainly Indian Philosophy. Vedanta. Swami Vivekananda's works basically.I guess this is what they wanted..they pounced on me...all three of them started questioning and mocking me regarding philosophy..laughed again and again..but I kept my cool..smiled ..I talked about all knowledge coming from contemplation..scientific discoveries made through contemplation..Newton, August Kekule.. ..GS said why don’t you go and sit under a tree and learn there..we should have one tree for every student at IIMA...and laughed..but at many times his laughter was forced and deliberate.. I was cool..like zabardasti haskar kyun energy kharaab kar re ho...I know you are faking it and I wont be psyched out...I smiled and played along..logic breaking down, quantum physics, wave particle duality etc sab discuss kiya..they tried their best to break me..but didn’t happen and at one point I gave my final answer with some force..and they suddenly accepted it and became silent...then asked about some other books..I talked about Godfather but wasn’t very convincing here...again they tried to psyche me out..do I have any Godfather type person in my family? have I been like or been with a person like the Godfather? (I smiled and said no)..I stuck to my point..like I learned this and this from the Godfather and that’s it.I guess that was the end..they offered me a toffee and I left..I had left my pen behind..KM - you may want your pen also. Me - Saying Thank you sir again and again to everyone and leave.Felt very good after the Interview was over...I had actually prayed for a stress interview, I knew I wouldn’t get stressed..they tried a lot to psyche me out..and I never felt the faintest hint of stress (compare this with the situation in my campus interviews where I had my hands shaking and tongue faltering) ..I never felt that these were IIMA profs..they were just good as any bunch of guys to me..I was cool and smiling throughout and put my points well and was reasonable..esp in my social work thing and philosophy...and in both these areas, they finally accepted what I had to say..at times I was a bit forceful..but never angry or loud or disturbed..whatever natural force my personality may have..it all flashed there..and then they had to listen.But now looking in retro..I am worried about the acads part..that’s what IIMA stresses on most. I am OK on paper..performed consistently in BE exams...but I guess nowhere by IIMA standards..Here's a quick analysis --ves - Acads, case study performance was bad,short term goals not clear, not from a hotshot college. +ves - OK CAT percentile (99.77), confidence and coolness in the interview, acads consistent on paper, good extra curriculars in organisational activities.real tired now..khana bhi nahi khaaya hai....this was long, but that’s my humble token in return for all the help I have taken from PG.PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200632Interview experience of: keviv Hi all,The IIM saga for me began today.I was amongst the few to be a part of the first day first show at IIMA.Venue: IIMA KLMDC annexe. Time: 9:00 AM Panel: 2My profile: Fresher B.Tech ICT (Information and Communication Technology), DA-IICT, Gandhinagar. CAT percentile : 99.97 %ile Calls :BLACKICase study:There were 9 people in each panel (2 ladies in my panel). 4 moderators sitting in one corner each of the room and observing us. There was a round table with number tags indicating our positions. They first checked our admit cards and then collected our forms and the photocopies that they had asked for in the call letter. Thereafter, the general instructions for the case study were given - 5 minutes to read, 20 minutes to discuss and 5 minutes to summarise. Summary to be written in running format, not in points. We were given a writeup with the case, a pink page to note down our points and a ruled page to write the summary. In the end, all three of them were taken back.The case:Bharat had subscribed for a recently launched Tech magazine (launched in Dec. 2004). But I was asked to wait for 2 months before he could receive the first issue. Moreover, in Jan 2005 he was told that he would have to pay more for the magazine as the costs had increased. Bharat felt that this was unfair as he had already paid for the subscription and any prise rise thereafter should not affect him. He threatened to take the distributors to the court. The distributors are in a fix because if Bharat is paid a refund, other customers will ask for the same. Moreover there cannot be a double pricing policy. So what should distributors do?Very peaceful discussion. Everyone was able to speak whenever he/ she wanted. Not much digressing from the topic. But the points raised were also very general. None of the points was such that the group hooked on to it and discussed it for some time. In fact, with 5 minutes more to go, one of us almost brought an end to GD but saying that "in the end we have agreed that...". Fortunately, a new point came up (courtesy: yours truly) and the group could discuss further till the moderator asked us to stop.The interview started within 10 minutes of the GD. I was the second person to be interviewed. And so I had no pre conceived notions of the panel. Went inside with butterflies in my stomach. But the panel soon made me comfortable. In the beginning, when they were stuck on one question, I thought that they were planning for a stress interview. But nope. They soon became very jovial. They were laughing all the time and therefore today, for the first time in an interview, I too smiled. Really, very cordial panel.Four people. Sitting on one side of the round table. However, only 3 of them asked questions. The fourth one was sitting slightly further from the table, looking at me all the time, smiling and noting down something.Interviewers: P1, P2, P3P1: Yes ___, what is Dhirubhai Ambani doing (me from Dhirubhai Ambani Institute of ICT) Me: Sir, ..(with an astonished look on my face)P1: Yes, Yes, I know he is dead. (Bursts out into laughter. I too smile). P1: So what are his sons doing? Me: Sir, they recently parted ways.P1: So whose side you are on? Me: Tried to be diplomatic. Both are good and blah blah.PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200633P1: No, but I want to know that if the brothers declare tomorrow that all DA-IICT students have to declare their allegiance towards one of them, whom will you choose? Me: In that case, I would go with Mukesh because I find my personality more similar to his than Anil's.P1: And what makes you think so? Me: Sir Anil is highly enthusiastic and dynamic. Mukesh is calm, patient, confident blah blah ..P1: So you are not dynamic? Me: Sir, I believe in taking up one task at a time and doing it in the best possible manner. (Here P3 chips in).P3: You said Mukesh is cool, calm and so are you too. But cool these days also means dynamic. As you people say "Cool dude". Which cool did you mean? (laughter all over). Me: Sir, I meant Mukesh has a cool temperament.(P2 looks at the mention of the prize I had won in an event called crossword. But thinks that it is something about the bookshop crossword. He asks me whether I am a member of the crossword. When I refuse and explain him about what crossword actually is, he again bursts into laughter. He laughed a lot during the interview)Now comes P2. Tech guy. Asked me only academics. And never seemed to be convinced.P2: You studied ICT? Did you specialize in anything? Me: Yes sir, CT.P2: How does an analog telephone work? Me: Didn't know exactly. But told him about the carbon resistance in the microphone changing due to vibrations of the membrane when we speak, thereby changing the current in the wires. (I think that the concept is correct but could not give a very technical explanation).P2: What is the EMF of the battery used at the exchange?(Before that I had mentioned about the central batter exchanges). Me: High because they supply power to several subscribers.P2: You said that there is the variable carbon resistance between the two wires connecting the handset and the battery. So I should get a spark when I short the two wires. But I don't Me: (Clueless here)P2: Ok. How does a call reach from here to Timbaktoo. Me: Told about the exchanges, trunk lines. regional exchanges. etc.P2: How many exchanges are there in India? Any guess? Me: No idea. But may be around 200 in each state. So around 5000. (Totally clueless here too).P2: Ok. you have studied networks? Me: Yes sir.p2: Tell me, what network topology will a telephone network be? Me: Mesh topology.P2: Heard about tree topology? (I think the mesh answer was wrong. Tree was the correct answer). Me: Explained it.P2: Network topology of BSNL? Me: No idea.P1 is back into action. P1: You never felt curious? Me: (Kya bolta? Dekhte raha unhe).P2 back to acads. P2: You seem to be good at probability. (Asks me a probability question.) Me: I gave the answer. He wasn't convinced.P1: How were the cellular operators in a region decided in India?PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200634Me: I told them about the spectrum auctions and the policy of maintaining a minimum and maximum number of operators in a circle.P1: Why is there a minimum limit? Me: For competition.P1: Why maximum limit? Me: Too much market segmentation. Problems in spectrum allocation as spectrum is limited.P1: Number of cellular operators in Gujarat (Here, due to one of my answers there was again a round of laughter. I used that time to count the number of operators). Me: 2 CDMA. 4 GSM.P1: Name them. Me: Named.P1: Why CDMA and not GSM? Me: Explained the difference between the two.P1: Why only two for CDMA? Me: told them..P1: Which countries use CDMA? Which use GSM? Me: Answered.Passes the baton to P3.P3: Tell me about your other interests. Me: Sir, reading and writing.P3: What do you write? Me: Articles for college magazine, daily diary, blog.P3: What was the last article in the magazine? Me: About my experience with CAT.P3: Why would anyone want to read that? Me: blah blah.P3: What did you write? Me: Told.P3: When did you update your blog? Last blog? Me: Told. Also told them about a bloggers community in our institute.P3 jokes that we should check his blog there and then to see if I was telling the truth.P3: Why blog? Why not just talk with people in your institute? Me: Blog without borders. Interaction with people from far off places and all that stuff (seemed convinced).P3: Looked at one of my certificates and asked me about that event. Me: Answered.At that point, our college festival "Synapse" came into picture. So P2 asked me about actual meaning of synapse. I gave them the definition (the connection between nerve fibres) and told them that is all I know.P1 again chips in.P1: Do you watch movies? Me: No.P1: Why? Me: I am slightly impatient (haha. Earlier, in one of the answers I had said that I am patient. thank God they didn't notice this). Can't sit through 3 hours of a movie.PaGaLGuY.com GD-PI Anthology: IIM Ahmedabad - Year 200635P1: Last movie? Me: Terminal.P3 is back.P3: Which book did you read last? Me: (last book I read was Fountainhead but after reading PG threads, didn't have the guts to tell that to the panel as I am not that well-versed with Rand's philosophy). Told them about Kiran Bedi's book that I am currently reading.P3: Why that book? Me: Told them that I prefer biographies.P3: Why not Gandhi, Nehru's autobiographies? Me: Read Gandhi's. Nehru's could not complete.P3: A few general questions about jails.P3: Ok, take your chocolate and you can go. Me: Thank you.So, this was all. No Why MBA? Tell me About yourself? Do you want to ask us something? Strengths and weaknesses? None of these.Lasted for about 30 minutes. In fact never realised that I was in for 30 minutes. I though they hadn't asked me anything. So when they said "one last question", I was surprised. It was only after I was out that I came to know that mine was one of the "long" interviews.Was quite happy after the interview, though later, on analysis, I found nothing special about my interview. Did not give good answers to some questions. But most of the time, it all seemed to me like a casual chit-chat. We all were laughing a lot. It was much better than all the mocks that I had given. The panel was very good. Whatever might be the outcome, I enjoyed the process.Next is K on 21st at Mumbai.All the best to all.Cheers, Vivek

What do people of Turkey and Azerbaijan think of Turkification?I am a descendant of what you can call “Turkish colonizators”/ ”Turkifiers” of Balkans. I will try to tell you the story as perceived by Turks and how Turks look at the history and other nations by giving examples from a lot of poems, türküs (folk songs) and movies so it will be pretty long. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.But before starting, I advice you to listen the words of Kelâmî Baba (1847-1927), sung by Kani Karaca (1930-2004):Kani Karaca - Canı Canana Kurban Eyleyen Gelsin - YoutubeThe translation of first four lines below:Let the one who sacrifice his/her life for the lover, come to this meydan*Let the one who strip off his/her ego, come to this meydanThis meydan is the school of wisdom, not every soul can dareLet the one who leave his/her envy, hatred, pride and ignorance away, come to this meydan*Meydan: the center/place where everybody can see you/praying place/arena/battlefield/”Quora”If you can read this article leaving prejudices behind, you may get a point of view of Turks. But if you won’t leave your prejudices, it doesn’t matter what i wrote here, you will find things for you to prove barbarism or whateverism of Turks. But anyway, Turks are immune to savage criticism (at least the Turks who are older than 16). I remember when I was in high school, internet was a novelty. There were opportunities to speak foreign languages in online platforms -I don’t remember exactly but some simple game platforms like chess and backgammon. I remember I was playing backgammon with a Greek from Greece (yeah “tavla”, a new age starts and the first thing a Turk and a Greek is playing tavla, typical). That was the first time I heard the “Mongolian Gypsy” thing. When that guy said that, I didn’t understand that he’s trying to insult me at first; as we’re some kind of far distant relatives with Mongols and we fought together with them/against them pretty long time, and as the gypsies are a part of our nation but I’m not from that society. That was when I read the word “barbarian”, I realized that he’s trying to insult, then I started to insult back. After we completed our “national duties” by insulting each other satisfactorily, I remember subject changed to football (typical again) as I’m from Galatasaray High School.For the record, Galatasaray is founded in 1481 by Bayezid II “the Saint”. Below, you can see a part of Istanbul from a miniature of Matrakçı Nasuh (1480-1564).The building with a yard which has a cypress tree in the yard and another on its left, outside of eastern walls of Galata is Galatasaray.Galata Sarayı Ocağı (“Hearth” of Palace of Galata) was an Acemi Oğlanlar Mektebi (Rookie/Cadet Boys School) back then. One of the schools you know who they train:JanissariesI’m not saying there is a link between military school times and today, but student relations in Galatasaray may look like as it is “a band of brothers-in-arms” (as it is so in many historical schools throughout the world).-Only the best cadets were educated in this type of schools to be higher rank officials. Today in order to enter to Galatasaray, you have to be among the first 200 students with highest score in whole Turkey in nationwide high school entrance exam.-In Galatasaray, we call people from older classes “abi” and younger ones “kardeş”. Abi/Older brother is the abbreviation of “Ağa Bey” (lit. Lord Sir). Kardeş (brother/sister) word comes from “karındaş” (lit.from the same belly). (It is pronounced as “Kardaş” in eastern provinces. If an Armenian adopts this name, then we have “Kardashian”). At the sixties, girls started to be accepted to the school, and they became “abla” (older sister).-Kol kırılır yen içinde kalır. Being a rat is the biggest “crime”. Galatasaraylı always protects his brothers in any condition.-Almost every Galatasaraylı have one or more subjects he’s mastered at. It is socially encouraged. But you can’t hear a Galatasaraylı boast about that, it is a shameful act. In Suskunlar/Taciturns (2007) book of İhsan Oktay Anar (1960-), a dervish was playing ney flawlessly to get into the list of a murderer who was killing the best musicians of Ottoman Istanbul. Normally dervishes always make at least one mistake, as only the God is perfect. People chants “Long live my Padishah”, followed by “Don’t boast too much my Padishah, there is God greater than you”. Turks always avoid boasting as we believe that boasting and rejoicing too much may get attention of evil demons. Humbleness in appearance and words encouraged. I’m talking about the years between the beginning of time and 90s.Hatasız kul olmaz/There is no flawless human – Orhan GencebayOrhan Gencebay - Hatasız Kul Olmaz - YoutubeHe says “Love me with my faults”.According to the legend (told beautifully by Ferhan Şensoy in his “Kalemimin Sapını Gülle Donattım” book. He is from Galatasaray too), while Sultan (Bayezid II) was roaming around, he encounters the garden of Gül Baba (Father Rose), a Bektashi father. After conversation, Sultan asks if he wants something from him. Gül Baba asks for a school where students to be educated to fill the ranks of the state. And then he gives two roses to the Sultan, one yellow one red (thus the colors of Galatasaray). Gül Baba is now resting in Budapest, in “Rózsadomb” district of hilly Buda part. When I visit in 2017, it was closed due to the restorations.After Janissary system dissolved, school used for different purposes. In 1868, Galatasaray became Galatasaray Mekteb-i Sultanisi (Imperial School). Everybody was complaining about the “mixed” school at first (except Muslims, as the school founded by the order of Padishah). Pope forbid Catholics to enter. But no matter, students from all religions and ethnicities of the Empire educated there. At the first year, the number of students:172 Muslim58 Orthodox Armenian31 Catholic Armenian26 Catholic Latin41 Greek47 Jewish34 BulgarNot only Turkish politicians, artists, scientists etc., but notable people from every nation of the Empire graduated from Galatasaray. You may have an opinion about the diversity:King Zog of AlbaniaBulgarian revolutionists (I don’t know who was the most eminent figure, so I couldn’t give a name)Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, President of IsraelSubhi Barakat, President of SyriaIn 1905, Ali Sami Yen (1886-1951) (son of Sami Frashëri and nephew of Naim and Abdül Frashëri, Albanian nationalists) founded the football team in a classroom with his brothers (of Galatasaray). The goal of the Galatasaray FC was, in his words: “To play together like Englishmen, to have a color and a name, and to beat the non-Turkish teams”ON TURKIFICATION IN OLD AGESWe are good at Turkifying every species, conversation at 5:30 of next movie Tarkan Viking Kanı/Tarkan and the Blood of the Vikings (1971):Castle commander Aybars: Why he (father dog) doesn't eat, I guess he didn't like it?Tarkan: His habit is feeding his son first.Aybars: He (son dog) doesn't eat neither?Tarkan: He (son dog) doesn't start before his father. Kurt (father dog's name, means Wolf) raising his son according to Turkish traditions.Tarkan Viking Kanı - YoutubeAs many times told by many Quorans, for the Eurasian Steppe people, ethnicity, religion even the language was never a barrier to form an entity/state/empire. So 19th century definitions of Indo-European, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Uralic were kind of meaningless when they all have nomadic lifestyle. The charisma and the counsellors around the Khan are decisive in granditude of the state. I there are less diligent khans and counsellors, then we have many petty tribal affiliations. If the khan and council is strong, there you have an empire.Take a look at the Orkhon inscriptions, the first known comprehensive inscription in runic alphabet (not only Turks but Magyars used it too). We see that they fight against each other fiercely. “Tokuz-Oğuzlar” (9 Oghuzs) is mentioned like eternal enemies of Göktürks. You know in later centuries Oghuz was the generic name used for almost all south-western Turkish speaking (even if they are of Mongol, Iranic etc ethnicity) nomadic people living in Turkmenistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Caucasia and Turkey. But in Orkhun Inscriptions case “Oghuz” means “tribes”, in the language of the north-west people (Ukraine, Russia, Bulgaria, Hungaria) it is “Oghur”, thus the On-Oghuria -> Hungaria, land of ten tribes (of Magyars and Turks or whatever you want to call them). So Orkhun “9 Oghuzes” can be any confederation of any kind of people. It doesn’t matter which ethnicity they fight against or allied with, that was just a power struggle.The Great Hiong-nu/Hunnu/Hun of the east or Huns of the west or the white Huns of the Iranic lands had the nomadic ruling class as a common theme. The situation for the Göktürk Khaganate, Khazar Khaganate, Uyghur Khaganate or any other state ruled by Khan/Khagan was same. The amalgam can be different as the eastern ones have more Iranic/Chinese/Tibetan (or Korean, who knows) elements of culture and people, while the western ones have more Slav/Caucasian (means “of Caucasus Mountains”)/Germanic elements. It’s obvious that when this Turkish speaking amalgam of Turk/Mongol/Iranic came to the lands of Muslim/Roman world, it enriched by the Armenian/Georgian/Greek/old Anatolian/Arabian/Aramaic/Jewish etc elements.An example of forced Turkification of Muslims from the Maqalat of Shams Tabrizi (1185–1248):“Devout muslims eat their meals separetly to avoid eating more than their right.One day, all passengers of caravan were eating their meals. Out of nowhere a Turkish horseman appeared. Turks are brave, hospitable and social people. He asked to them: “Why you eat separetly? Why not altogether?” People said: “It’s our custom”. Turk raised his whip, “I will harm the person who put and who accepted that custom! Quick, eat as a unified community! Out of fear, passengers did as he said. After he’s gone, the old man of the village said: “Let the God forgive who ate his own right, not the others””If you want to visualize this Turkish speaking nomadic people at the threshold of Muslim/Roman world and ready to “blend in”, I can give you Köroğlu and Dede Korkut. These two elements are common among Turks of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan and in some extent Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kirghizstan.Some samples of Köroğlu poems:Hasan Mutlucan - Köroğlu Cengi - YoutubeTan yeri atanda şafak sökendeDüşmanın üstüne hörelenmeliHezaren kılıçlı kabak kalkanlıYiğit on beş yerinden yaralanmalıWhen the twilight ends, when the dawn breaks(Brave) should attack on the enemyWith hezaren style sword and kabak shieldBrave should be wounded in (at least) fifteen partsHaber aldım nökerinden* kulundanDoyuk oldum akçasından pulundanHey ağalar kızıl kanın rengindenKır-At altımızda kınalanmalıI took news of (his/your) soldiers and servantsI became full of (his/your) money and valuablesO lords, of the color of red bloodKır-at** must be painted (with henna, like a bride)Köroğlu'm der mirza* gele han* geleBen isterim günde bin tufan geleDerelerden oluk oluk kan geleBaş kesilip gövde kürelenmeliMy Köroğlu says, (I wish) mirza* come (I wish) khan* comeI wish one thousand typhoons come everyday(I wish) loads and loads of blood come down the creeksHead must be cut, corpse must be shoveled*Nöker, mirza, khan are military titles in Iran**Kır-at is the White Horse of Köroğlu. According to the legend, Kır-at drank the ab-ı hayat (water of life) and gained immortality, Köroğlu couldn’t and died. And if you are good, you may just catch a glimpse of Kır-at.Another one:Hasan Mutlucan - Bolu Beyi - YoutubeEfeler hey hey, kızanlar hey heyBenden selam olsun Bolu Beyi'neÇıkıp şu dağlara yaslanmalıdırAt kişnemesinden kalkan sesindenDağlar seda verip seslenmelidirHeroes/knights hey hey, helpers/squires hey heySend my greetings to the Lord of Bolu*(We) should go out and lean on those mountains (found a base there)From the neighing of horse and voice of shieldMountains must start to speak back and callDüşman geldi tabur tabur dizildiAlnımıza kara yazı yazıldıTüfek icat oldu mertlik bozulduEğri kılıç kında paslanmalıdırEnemy came and lined up battalion by battalionBlack scripture written on our foreheadRifle has been invented, chivalry has been lostCurved blade shall rust in its holsterKöroğlu düşer mi yine sanındanAyırır çoğunu er meydanındanKır-at köpüğünden, düşman kanındanÇevrem dolup şalvar ıslanmalıdırWill Köroğlu fall of from his nameHe separates many from the battlefield (kill many people)Of the foam of Kır-at and blood of enemyShalwar shall be wet totally (Shalwar= Baggy trousers)*Lord of Bolu: nemesis of Köroğlu in AnatoliaThat is considered as one of the last poems of Köroğlu, as rifle is used more and more and Köroğlu is sick of it and decides to leave battlefields.This song also sung by Hasan Mutlucan (1926-2011). He was a “radio star” a couple of times. Specially, in 1960, 1971, 1980 as he was among the few singers not-banned in the good old coup d’état days.Another one sung by Mutlucan:HASAN MUTLUCAN Mert Dayanır Namert Kaçar - YoutubeMert dayanır namert kaçar,Meydan gümbür gümbürlenir.Şahlar şahı divan açar,Divan gümbür gümbürlenir.Chivalrous endures, non-chivalrous runs awayBattlefield rumbles like a thunderShah of shahs opens the Divan (royal council)Divan rumbles like a thunderYiğit kendini övendeToplar menzili döğendeŞeşber kalkana değendeKalkan gümbür gümbürlenir.When the brave praises himselfWhen the cannons bombard its rangeWhen the pernach touches shieldShield rumbles like a thunderTop atılır kal'asındanHak saklasın belasındanKöroğlu'nun narasındanDağlar gümbür gümbürlenir.Cannon fired from the castleLet the God save from its damageOf the battlecry of KöroğluMountains rumble like a thunderNext one is from İrfan Gürdal.The scenes from a Kazakh movie called Köşpendiler (2005). At the last quartet, words of cut off of head synchronized with the movie.İrfan Gürdal - Leş Bir Yana Baş Bir Yana - YoutubeYüce yüce dağ başındaYaz bir yana kış bir yanaTitreşir ağzın içindeDil bir yana diş bir yanaAt the top of the high mountainSummer at one side winter at one sideIt is shaken inside of the mouthTongue at one side tooth at one sideNe edek de neler edekDüşmanın bağrını didekHan Ayvaz'a imdata gidekDört bir yana beş bir yanaWhat we should do, what things we should doLet's slash the chest of the enemyLet's go for the help of Khan Ayvaz (young comrade of Köroğlu)To four sides to five sidesKöroğlu'nun yok ilacıPaşalar versinler bacıÇekende Mısrî kılıncıLeş bir yana baş bir yanaKöroğlu has no cureLet the pashas give the tributeWhen the Egyptian sword unsheathedCorpse at one side head at one sideAnd lastly a poem for Kır-at itself. Attention to changing of music from Köroğlu style to Alevi style two times (at 1:38 and 3:35):Hasan Mutlucan - Kırat - YoutubeÇamlıbel'e süreyidim yolunuAltınlardan nalladayım nalınıÜç güzele dokutayım çulunuAlma gözlü kız perçemli kıratım(I wish) ride you to Çamlıbel(I wish) I have them make your shoe out of gold(I wish) I have three beauties sew your clothesMy Kır-at with apple eye and girly forelock(CHORUS)Kır-at Kır-at Kır-atKır-ata binen alır muratThe one who mounts Kır-at, takes his desireKır-atım meydan yerindeGezer horlayı horlayıBir kötü az bir kavgadanKaçar zorlayı zorlayıMy Kır-at is in battlefieldIt roams neighingAn evil (person) runs away from (even) a small battleWith difficulty(CHORUS)Başını başımdan yukarı tutarHaykırır köpüğü başından atarKaçarsa kurtulur kovarsa tutarAlma gözlü kız perçemli Kır-atım(Kır-at) puts its head higher than mineIt cries, throws its foam away of its headIf it runs it gets rid off, if it pursues it catchesMy Kır-at with apple eye and girly forelock(CHORUS)Kır-ata yakışır bunlarYiğit giyer demir donlarAk gövdeden kızıl kanlarAkar şarlayı şarlayıThese things suit Kır-atBrave wears iron clothesRed blood out of white body(Blood) flows splashing(CHORUS)Köroğlu der al kanlarıYere serer çok canlarıEğri kılınç düşmanlarıKeser parlayı parlayıKöroğlu says red blood(Sword) perishes many livesThe curved blade cuts enemiesShiningYou can also check the Turkish movie of Köroğlu (1968) starring Cüneyt Arkın (of Crimean and Nogai descent):Köroğlu - Türk Filmi - YoutubeOr Koroğlu Operası from Azerbaycan:"Köroğlu" operası - YoutubeDede Korkut Hikayeleri (Tales of Grandfather/Holy Man Korkut)There are 12 tales in total. Tales tell us many motives of newly Muslim Oghuz people:Deli/Mad Dumrul dares to fight Azrael, God demands a life to be taken, Dumrul or another person. Dumrul talks to his parents but they don’t accept to die instead of him, saying “world is joyful, life is sweet”. Dumrul goes to his wife to say farewell, “Take all my wealth, marry someone you like, don’t leave my two sons fatherless”. His wife answers “What will I do with wealth after you, I will sacrifice my life instead of you”. After lovers’ sincere words, God decides to send Azrael to take the lives of Dumrul’s parents instead of them, and gives a longer lifetime to two lovers.Four Oghuz braves wear “niqab (veil)” as they are too handsome, Kan Turalı, Bamsı Beyrek, Kara Çekür and his son Kırk Kınak. Because, a brave shows his beauty only to his lover and doesn’t want to distract others.Kan Turalı tells his father the attributes of the girl who he wants to marry: “She must be already stand up before I do, she must mount the horse before I do, she must already have heads of bloody heathens before I reach their land.” After long searches, his father finds the most appropriate girl: The beautiful daughter of heathen ruler of Trabzon. After three contests he gains her hand (somewhat similar to the story of Brunhild of Nibelungenlied). Then two fights together against heathens (her relatives).Bamsı Beyrek gets the hand of Banu Çiçek after defeating her in horse race, archery and “wrestling”.Basat kills Tepegöz (similar to Cyclops and Odysseus or Enkidu and Gilgamesh).In the next song, psychedelic 16-year-old son of Kazan Khan (Khan of Inner Oghuz) asks permission from his father to join war. The song is already subtitled. (You can check this Anatolian Rock Revival Project thing as all these songs of 60s-70s are subtitled.)Sadık Bütünley - Meydan Bu Meydan (1974) - YoutubeFollowing youtube link is actually a lullaby but it shows the story of “Boğaç Han”, how he got his name after defeating a bull (Boğa means bull therefore Boğaç Han = Bull-y Khan). Dede Korkut (3:18 Gandalf-like figure, you’ll notice) comes and name him after his bravery.Dandini Dandini Dastana - YoutubeThese people were raising livestock. Quora user Anand Nyamdavaa has an interesting entry about naming horses (or any animals).How did Mongol soldiers keep track of their horses while on campaign?We still have those type of names, but Turkish and Mongolian terms are a bit different:Following link is about Kirghiz refugees in Turkey, “37 uses for a dead sheep”Ölmüş Bir Koyunu Değerlendirmenin 37 Yolu - 1/9ON TURKIFICATION IN ROMAN/MUSLIM WORLD – ON PURITY OF RACEI take it normal when people of America or less related parts of the world ask questions like “if Italians -who are black- live in Europe then should we call the continent where Scandinavians -who are white- live something else? Maybe Thule?”. But when I hear “DNA” from my fellow Arab, Greek, Armenian, Slav, Maghrebi and Turks, I feel disappointed. Do you think that you are that “unsuccessful”?I don’t want to offend those tribes but most “pure” ethnicities/races of the world are the most primitive ones. “Pure” means that the one who couldn’t build/craft things/interact with/organize/rule/fight/lead/unite/divide/collaborate with people around. Pure means that the one who can’t “blend in”, be friends or marry because of lacking things. If you don’t “add” people to your family/nation when you meet them, that means you destroy your future wealth (material or immaterial), the skills and the possible things they can produce for your common ideal to be much more successful. I remember watching one of the interviews of İlber Ortaylı (1947-), the most famous and knowledgeable Turkish historian of our times (who is a of Crimean Tatar ethnicity). This guy:There are many funny caps about him, this one says: “Let’s do an interview but I don’t suppose the people who can’t speak 8 languages would understand.” Photo taken in Galatasaray University cafeteria as he is giving law history lessons there. There was a rumor in the university that in a course a student tells him that he may read the French text instead of him as Ortaylı is reading the text a bit slowly. Ortaylı says “ok” than the student takes the book and see that the text is in Russian.I couldn’t find the video but the link of newspaper is here (Interviewer showmen brothers are from Galatasaray too):İlber Ortaylı: Konuşmasak güzel ırkızHe basically says “Endogamy ended, exogamy started again. Turks and Russians became a good combination. I hope we turn our face to Iran too”. Actually, what he says about Iran “İnşallah biraz İran’a da kayarız” can be translated in a very vulgar way too but I don’t want to enter that.Speaking of interethnic relations and Turkification by marriage, enjoy some old Turkish songs about girls of different ethnicities:Sefer Düştü Gürcistan'a “(Military) Campaign on Georgia” from Köroğlu:İrfan Gürdal - Sefer Düştü Gürcistan’a - YoutubeSeferim var Gürcistan'aBenim ile göçen gelsinİnmesin namert meydanaCandan serden geçen gelsinI have a campaign on GeorgiaLet the one who roam with me comeLet not the non-chivalrous one come down to the battlefieldLet the one who can sacrifice his life and his head comeÇağırın askerin hepisinSeçin içinden kötüsünGürcistan beden kapısınBir yumrukta açan gelsinCall all the soldiersChoose the bad onesThe gate of castle in GeorgiaLet the one who can open (the gate) by one fist comeKulak tut merdin sözüneİnelim meydan yüzüneEcel gömleğin özüneKend'eliyle biçen gelsinListen carefully the words of the chivalrous oneLet get down to the battlefieldThe shirt of death timeLet the one who sew (the shirt) for himself comeKöroğlu bir genç aslandırDört bir yanı dost düşmandırDövüş bir düğün bayramdırCandan serden geçen gelsinKöroğlu is a young lionAll four sides are friends and foesThe battle is a celebration, a festivalLet the one who can sacrifice his life and his head comeDinleyin yiğit sözünüÇekerim güzel nazınıGürcistan'ın has kızınıTerkin alıp kaçan gelsinListen the words of the brave oneI pander the whims of the beautyThe "special/pure/best" girl of GeorgiaLet the one who took (her) on back of his horse and ran away, comeKır-at'ıma verin yeminKimselere etmen zulümO yollarda çoktur ölümTatlı candan geçen gelsinGive my Kır-at his fodderDon't be cruel on anybodyDeath is plenty on those roadsLet the one who can sacrifice his sweet life comeHani koç Köroğlu haniDost ile düşmanı tanıKılıcından akan kanıŞerbet edip içen gelsinWhere Köroğlu the Ram, whereKnow friend and foeThe blood spilling off of the swordLet the one who makes a sherbet (out of blood) comeFor “terkine alıp kaçmak” “to take her on back of his horse and ran away” you can watch the next video, the nomad guy snatches the sedentary girl and throw gold to her father at 23:38:Boş Beşik - Türk Filmi - YoutubeMy mother’s father’s father’s father, Veli “the Stallion” who was a local agha, snatched his wife (my great-grand mother) in a similar fashion back in the old country, except that they were not nomads anymore. Don’t worry, after Empire lost Balkans, we lost the lands and wealth too. We all live in small apartments of Istanbul now.Çeçen Kızı - “Chechen Girl” from Tanburi Cemil Bey (1873-1916)Çeçen Kızı Tanburi Cemil Bey - YoutubeSuzan Suzi –Assyrian girl and a Muslim guy make love at a sacred place then they’ve been “struck/smitten” by supernatural power – anonym türkü (folk song)İncesaz - Suzan SuziKırklardağı'nın düzüKaranlık bastı biziKör olasın zalım Suzan SuziZiyaret çarptı bizi(At) the flat (part) of Kırklardağı (Mountain of [Holy] Forties)Darkness fell upon usI wish you be blind* o cruel Suzan/SuziThe sacred place struck usKöprüaltı kapkaraSuzan gel beni araSaçlarıma kumlar dolduTarak getir de taraUnder the bridge it is pitch-blackSuzan come and find meSand filled into my hairGet a comb and comb (my hair)* "I wish you be blind" is used a lot in daily life but rarely as a curse, a mother can say this to her child, lover to loverAcem Kızı – “Ajam (Iran) Girl” written by Neşet Ertaş (1938-2012), sung in Istanbul subwayACEM KIZI - YoutubeÇırpınıp da Şanova'ya çıkıncaEğlen Şanova'da kal Acem kızıUğrun uğrun kaş altından bakıncaCan telef ediyor gül Acem kızıWhen you go out flickering to Şanova*Wait and stay at Şanova, Ajam girlWhen she glares hostile under eyebrowsShe perishes life, rose Ajam girlSeni seven oğlan neylesin malıYumdukça gözünden döker mercanıBurnu fındık ağzı kahve fincanıŞeker mi şerbet mi bal Acem kızıWhat will the boy who loves you do with wealthAs she closes her eyes, corals fallHer nose hazelnut, her mouth coffee cup (=small)Sugar or sherbet? Honey Ajam girl*Şanova word is used for homeland, country, Anatolia by Neşet ErtaşRace, nation, ethnicity, cultural bounds etc. are ambiguous and interchangeable terms for Turks. We don’t have a word for “Turkic”. It’s all Turk to us from Bosnians (for obvious reasons) to Native Americans passing through Bering, from Finns with agglutinative language to Northern Africans who have Turkish style flags. That means we can find similarities and common ground while we talk with these folks.Once upon a time I was in Fairbanks, Alaska with a university time program called “Work&Travel”. Midnight sun, aurora borealis, endless forests, hot springs, mooses etc once in a life time experience for a Mediterranean. Anyway, me and another Turk, we witnessed that some American guys were mocking a Serbian girl who couldn’t respond properly. Our blood raged and we repelled them away. Our blood raged not only because we are “delikanlı” (lit.mad-blooded, term used for young people and expected from them by the society to be mad-blooded. Delikanlı contains chivalry, so protecting/fighting for weak, children, women, old, handicapped is highly delikanlı manners), but we think that the “Serbian girl” is of family, a sister to us comparing Americans. It was our duty to “protect” her “honor” when she can’t. Probably we wouldn’t interfere if she was also an American, as it would be an “in the family” thing for us, foreigners.I have traveled whole Lebanon with an Australian friend from work. Great country. In the car rental office in Beirut, we met a dealer which turned out to be an Armenian, after many hugs and kisses, he gave us the best car and many helpful advices. We have been offered free coffee by a café owner in Bcharre in the mountains after the Armenian guy learned that we are from Turkey. Then we went to Anjar town (populated heavily by Armenians). After passing the sign saying “No Turks allowed” we visited the Anjar ruins. Then we continued along the Bekaa Valley (known well by Turks of my age as there were many PKK camps) to be stopped by Lebanon Army near Qaraoun Lake (What a Turkish sounding name), as it would be dangerous to continue after that point as Israel could bomb us. There I remembered Miko, same age brother from Galatasaray, he was asking should he go to military service in Turkey which is shorter or in Israel which he may have chance to meet some girls during service. A famous Turkish singer Linet made her military service in Israel, a powerful voice:Linet - YoutubeBack to Lebanon, we took the mountain passage back to Beirut and turn south again to Sur and Sayda to swim in the hammam-like sea of East Mediterranean.By the way, the Australian colleague was never using the word “mate”, and never talking about Gallipoli. I think the friend actually was a British spy. Or was it just a conspiracy theory of mine – as made by Turks all the time.Let’s get back to “black Italians/white Scandinavians” type questions: With all these unrelated fragments of my life I told you, I’m trying to say that the situation for the people of this geography is not black and white as it is for others. Here in this geography, we have many tones of gray and also many other colors with many tones. Please don’t waste your brilliant heads to these futile exercises of blaming/fighting/insulting each other constantly. Maybe the problem is that we don’t have a common ground. For years and years, we watched American productions and we tried to identify each other and ourselves with American concepts. And 95% of these concepts were not matchable for our peoples. We couldn’t create such platforms/collaborations/pacts etc. The ones we created were failed, Balkan Pact, Treaty of Saadabad, even Balkan and Mediterranean Games, we couldn’t maintain them. The best collaboration we have now is Acun Ilıcalı’s (1969-) TV show, Survivor Turkey-Greece.Anyway, Turkey is a big country, we can manage to survive alone and throughout the history Turks had states either this or that way, but always with formidable power. I guess with this consciousness and the big trust in “strength in our veins” (Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s “Gençliğe Hitabe”), we are so “comfortable” and confident, I mean as we endured thousands of years in hostile territories, we believe that whatever happens we can figure out a way to survive.The History of the Turks - Every Year - YoutubeFollowing words are from Bilge Kağan (8th Century) in Orkhun Inscriptions, he rebuilded the state after hard times:“Türük oguz begleri bodun eşid; üze Tengri basmasar, asra yir telinmeser, Türük bodun, ilinin törünün kim artatı udaçı erti? Türük bodun ertin, ökün. ... İl birigme Tengri, Türük bodun atı küsi yok bolmazun tiyin, özümün ol Tengri Kagan olurtdı erinç.”“Turk Oghuz lords nation listen; if Tengri (God=Sky) above doesn’t collapse, if earth below doesn’t split off, Turk nation, who could destroy your land and law/order? Turk nation, be shaken, wake up. ... Land giver Tengri, to prevent losing the name of Turk nation, made me Tengri (Celestial) Kağan indeed.”But the times we are most powerful are the times we collaborate with others. When we are alone, we are struggling. The situation (dependence) is much worse for countries of Balkans and Middle East with small populations.Let’s summarize the “Turkification and attacks on Turks” from Quora answers, I mean there are real people who think they are insulting us by these:Turks are Mongolian Gypsies Muslim Greeks and Armenians and Turk has only 1% real Turkish DNA. But at the same time the Turk is the sole responsible of backwardness of Balkans and Arab lands. Turk oppressed millions of people.I’ve been thinking, if that 1% can turn millions of people into Turk, 1% can make them choose Turkish way and able to hold extremely large lands for hundreds of years, %1 can take the boys of 99% and make them hypnotised in A Clockwork Orange (1971) fashion, 1% alone, by brute force, without any cooperation against 99%, well, I choose to name myself that 1% superman. Or let’s think the other way, Turk is 99% Greek, Armenian, Slav, Arab etc., so who oppressed who then?That reminds me the jokes of Nasreddin Hodja; “If the cat is here then where is the liver? If liver is here then where is the cat?”By the way at first episode Superman enslaved “Whites”, but in the 2nd episode he goes to Arabia:Sam De Mayen's answer to Why do modern Arabs deny that the ancient Arabs were black?Here you can find a useful proof for afro-centrism, a poem by Karacaoğlan (lit.Blacky Boy) (17th century), played and sung by a group called Badem:Badem - Kara Degil mi - YoutubeBana kara* diyen dilberKaşların kara değil miYüzümü güldüren gelinGözlerin kara değil miThe beauty who called me black*Aren't your eyebrows black?The bride that makes my face smileAren't your eyes black?Güzel ben seni isterimSeni koynumda beslerimYüzünü güzel göreyimZülüfün kara değil miBeauty, I want you(Let me) feed you in my bosomYour face, o beauty, let me seeAren't your earlocks black?Boyun uzun belin inceYanakların olmuş goncaSalıversin kuluncaBeliğin kara değil miYour height is tall, your waist is thinYour cheeks became rosebudYou let them downAren't your braids black?Utanırsın akar terinGüzellikde yok benzerinEn sevgili makbul yerinSaçların kara değil miYou blush, you sweatThere is no equivalent of yours in beautyMost dear precious thing about youIsn't your hair black?Beni kara diye yermeMevlam yaratmış hor görmeEla göze siyah sürmeÇekilir kara değil miDon't ashame me because I'm blackGod created (me like this), don't despise (me)Colored eyes tinged with black kohlIsn't it black?Hint'den Yemen'den çekilirİner Bağdat'a dökülürTürlü taama ekilirBiber de kara değil miIt's been imported from India, YemenIt comes down, and unloaded in BaghdadIt's used in many recipesIsn't the pepper black?Göllerde kuğular olurGöğsü ak kara benlidirMısır'da çok zengin vardırKölesi kara değil miThere are swans in the pondsWhite chested, black spottedThere are many rich people in EgyptIsn't their slave black?Pınara konan kuğununKanadı beyaz çoğununÇöldeki Arap BeyininÇadırı kara değil miThe swans landed on springsMany have white wingsArab chief in the desertIsn't his tent black?Her yoldan gelir geçerlerAktan karayı seçerlerAğalar beyler içerlerKahve de kara değil miThey come and go from every cornerThey choose black out of whiteLords and sirs drinkIsn't the coffee black?Evlerinde sular akarGüzelleri göze bakarHublar yanağına sokarSümbül de kara değil miWater flows in their housesThe beautiful ones look in the eyesThe beauties put on their cheeksIsn't the hyacinth black?Karac'oğlan der maşallahBirgün görünür inşallahKara donludur BeytullahÖrtüsü kara değil miKarac'oğlan says praise be to the GodI see (it) someday, I hope from GodBlack clothed House of God (Kaaba)Isn't its cover black?*Kara: Black-dark, earth-continent (kara iklimi/continental climate), bad (kara talih/bad luck), poor/unorganized (kara düzen/poor organization, kara kalabalık/unorganized crowd), single male (in Ottoman sources), north (Karadeniz/Black Sea, karayel/black wind of north), common people comparing elites (From Kutadgu Bilig 11th c.: “ilin itmiş, ötre bayumış kara” / “He organized the state, therefore commonfolk became rich”)I guess some really think that if they repeat hate words enough, they can change our national identity. Back to Nasreddin Hodja: Akşehir people tell Hodja that it is impossible to ferment the Lake Akşehir and make yoghurt out of it, Hodja replies “What if it ferments?”Or we may just leave it as it goes: Hodja was turning back home from field with his grandson. He was riding the donkey and boy was walking. Peasants on the road said “Look at this cruel guy, he’s riding the donkey while poor boy is walking!”. Then they switched places. After a while, other peasants on the road said “Look at this disrespectful boy, he’s riding the donkey while poor old man is walking!”. Then they both mounted the donkey. After a while, other peasants on the road said “Look at this cruel people, both of them ride the poor donkey!”. Then both dismounted. After a while, other peasants on the road said “Look at those stupid people, they walk all the way on foot while there is a donkey”. Then Hodja said to his grandson “The mouth of people is not a bag, you can’t just close it”.Never forget that you are talking about empires. When we were developing, you were developing too, while we were suffering you were suffering. At the developing times, empire was successful at delegating duties, that’s why we call them empires. Simply Turks, Tatars, Kurds, Slavs, people of Caucasia and Albanians were fighting, Armenians were crafting and building, Jews were dealing with illnesses and finances, Greeks and North Africans were sailing, Vlachs and Yörüks were raising livestock and transporting things, Arabs and all were cultivating their land. It sounds like a well working machine. Then times changed and empire died, with a lot of people in it.Wikipedia’s page about Anti-Turkism is “well-intentioned” but “insufficient”. I mean, is that all you can find about Anti-Turkism, shame on you.Let’s analyze Anti-Turk:Anti: Being anti, opposite against something can be considered as a good thing, as “delikanlı” manners in Turkish society.-: Negativity is not good, be positive please.Turk: Yes, if you are Anti-Turk, that means you define yourself according to Turk. So, you are partly Turk, welcome!Couple of years ago (2010’s), I was driving from Dubrovnik during night time to catch the plane in Sarajevo Airport in the morning. The road was passing through Republika Srpska. The road was so dark, 90% of it was not lit.There, in the dark, I saw Serbs cutting off the human heads and putting on sharpened stakes, on the sides of the unlit roads. Then the car bumped and I woke up and continue to drive on the unlit roads which is full of potholes totally because of the backwardness brought by Turks. Than the car bumped again.If someone tells you stories out of ignorancy and hatred, I can advice you the next quartet of great satirist Nef'i (1572-1635), said for shaykh al-Islām of his time:Müftü efendi bize kâfir demişTutalım ben ona diyem MüslümanLâkin varıldıkta ruz-ı mahşereİkimiz de çıkarız orada yalanMufti efendi called us heathenLet me call him MuslimBut when the Day of Judgment comesBoth of us would be called liars thereOr someone may call you a “dog”, then you have your answer from Nef’i again:Tahir Efendi bana kelp demişİltifadı bu sözde zahirdirMaliki mezhebim benim ziraİtikadımca kelp tahirdirTahir (Clean) Efendi called me a dogHis compliment is hidden in this wordsMy madhhab is Maliki, thereforeIn my faith, dog is clean (tahir)One of Nef'i’s poems sung by Zeki Müren (1931-1996), probably the most loved singer of Turkey:Zeki Müren | Tûtî-i Mu'cize-Gûyem Ne Desem Lâf Değil - YoutubeWell, back to history with türküs. According to the oral history of my family, we came from Khorasan to Karaman and then we were amongst the families sent by Padishah to “Turkify” Balkans, for my family/tribe the destination was Dimetoka/Διδυμότειχο of Western Thrace/Έβρου at c.14th century.Here is a song about forced settlement policy on nomads applied in 18th century by Ottomans. The conditions for my family was probably different back then but the song fits the situation:Poet Dadaloğlu (18th c.), sung by Cem Karaca (1945-2004) (Father Azerbaijani, mother Armenian)Cem Karaca - Dadaloğlu - YoutubeKalktı göç eyledi Avşar elleriAğır ağır giden eller bizimdirArap atlar yakın eyler ırağıYüce dağdan aşan yollar bizimdirAfshar lands (nomads) got up and started to migrateThese lands (nomads) who go slowly are oursArabian horses made the distances closerThe roads passing through high mountains are oursBelimizde kılıcımız kirmaniTaşı deler mızrağımın temreniHakkımızda devlet vermiş fermanıFerman padişahın dağlar bizimdirOur sword in our belt is kirmani (style of Kerman, Iran)The head of my spear pierces the stoneThe state gave a royal decree about usDecree belongs to the Padishah, mountains are oursDadaloğlu'm yarın kavga kurulurÖter tüfek davlumbazlar vurulurNice koç yiğitler yere serilirÖlen ölür kalan sağlar bizimdirMy Dadaloğlu, battle would be settled tomorrowRifle sings, drums would be playedMany ram-heroes perishThe dead is dead, the alive rest is oursIn the following article (only the abstract in English), you can find Bektashi Lodge of Seyid Ali Sultan aka Kızıl Deli Sultan (Red Mad Sultan) which my family (except my father’s mother side which is from Rusçuk/Русе and Latça/?, Bulgaria) had religious affiliation.www.hbvdergisi.gazi.edu.tr/index.php/TKHBVD/article/download/1125/1114Under Ottoman land organization, our community called “Yörükân-ı Tanrıdağı” (Tengri Mountain Nomads). When they came to that area, they named the river as Kızıldeli (lit.Red Mad, as it has unpredictable floods and at times a reddish colour, Ερυθροπόταμος “red river” in Greek and Луда река “mad river” in Bulgarian) and the mountain as Tengri Dağı (the southeast tip of Rhodopes).At the pdf below, 27th map shows Dimetoka/Διδυμότειχο county and villages around (sedentary people), 18th map the centers of Tanrıdağı Yörükleri (nomads) in the time of Sultan Süleyman:https://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/varliklar/dosyalar/eskisiteden/yayinlar/elektronik-yayinlar/Rumeli_eyaleti.pdfThe pdf is about the organization of Rumeli Eyaleti between 1514-1550. If you are from Balkans, you can find what was the name of your village/county/city or community back then under Ottoman organization.A brief explanation of land types for that age:1.Mülk Arazi – Lands with a proprietor2.Vakıf Arazi – Waqf land (income used for waqf buildings)3.Metruk Arazi – “Abandoned” land (roads, centers, bridges, fair places but also some meadows etc)4.Mevat Arazi – barren land (can be turned to other types)5.Miri Arazi – state land which is around 87% of all land in that era (parts of this type can be distributed as “fiefs”)Fiefs (Timars):1.Has: Income more than 100,000 akçe (lit.white-y as it is silver), given to Sultan himself, viziers and ladies of dynasty. To be returned to treasury after death or end of duty.2.Zeamet: Income between 20K-100K akçe. They had to send one soldier for every 5K. Inheritable.3.Timar/Dirlik: Income less than 20K. One soldier for every 3K. Inheritable. Timar owners do not have to be Muslim so for example in Serbia you will find Serbian Christians as fief-holders next to Muslim ones (most probably Muslim Serbians).In the next article, you can find the names of all Timar owners and why timars given to them (e.g. service in Tunis/Szigetvár/Cyprus etc campaigns), income of every village-timar etc. for relatively stable Karaman Eyaleti between 1576-1577 (only abstract is in English).http://acikerisim.selcuk.edu.tr:8080/xmlui/handle/123456789/1486For Rumeli timar-holders and their lives, you have to learn Ottoman alphabet and Turkish and join the university research groups as there are infinite number of documents and so few Turks and small funds for research. Think the number of official documents for your town in a year, then multiply it with hundreds of years and this geography:Back to the topic of the Turkification.In the next movie, you can find Battal Gazi (Cüneyt Arkın again). I wouldn’t use following link as they cut all the nudity and slang while “restorating” it, but the real movie copies were in very bad condition. Anyway, at 21:12 you can see our hero rides his horse to stand against “Byzantine” Army alone. Then he demands warriors from them to fight a single combat. After defeating some, the real warrior “Hammer” comes at 24:20. They are both chivalrous, respecting each other. As Hammer is an old warrior, Battal Gazi calls him “Master”, they fight according to codes of chivalry (of Eastern peoples). The fight continues 2 days. At the night (resting time) of second day, they wrestle in a brothel called “Temple of 40 Virgins” for one condition: The defeated one will convert to winner’s religion. Hammer becomes “Ahmet Turani”. At the end of the movie they dethrone the usurper Roman emperor Leon, crown the real one and Battal marries emperor’s daughter Elanora who becomes Ayşe Hatun.Yeah one other thing you could notice, all the soundtrack is, ahem, “borrowed” from El Cid (1961) movie.Battal Gazi Destanı (Restorasyonlu) - YoutubeWe can see another example of conversion in Epic of Manas of Kirghizs. This time a Buddhist becomes a Muslim. A hero named Er Kökçö tells Almambet how to become a Muslim:Kökçö turup mına ayttı:"Kara-kannın balası kabılan tuuğan Almambet, moyloon teren oyunar, sakaldarın koyunar, koküldörün kırkınar, başından tozoğo tınse alınar! Kitebimni okusun, Kuranımnı tanısın!"Kökçö stand up and said:"Son of Kara Khan tiger-born Almambet, come shave your moustache, grow your beard, shorten your hair, throw away the ornament of your hat! Then you can read my book, you can understand my Quran!"As you can see, at first the converts or converters were all nominal Muslims, they didn’t have much knowledge about religion itself. Some change in appearance and repeating some words were enough to change religion.10th century traveler Ahmad ibn Fadlan (Antonio Banderas of The 13th Warrior (1999) movie) mentions about the Turks/Oghuzs and their perspective on life in his risala.http://www.indiana.edu/~cahist/Readings/2011Spring/Risala%20of%20Ibn%20Fadlan.docDimitris Almyrantis has already written an answer in Quora about that, so I will skip that:I’ve seen some Ottoman paintings where women didn’t wear headscarves. So, were women allowed to choose whether they want to wear it?In Evliya Çelebi’s language, “Oghuz” word used with the word “büleh” and it is used for both ethnically Turk and non-Turk people. Büleh comes from Arabic and it means basically stupid, the person who doesn’t understand much about the complexities of life or religion. Life is simple for these people. They don’t know about evil, wrong-doing, sin, hypocrisy. If there is war, they fight, if there is peace, they treat everyone good. They are so naive and they say what they think. That’s why (according to Evliya Çelebi) if they pray, God grants their wishes immediately, so they can invoke earthquakes to destroy cities. In Evliya’s words:“... Musul pâdişâhı nâmesinde Ahlat pâdişâhına eyle tahrîr eder kim "Musul şehrimin imârı hakkiyçün sana bir iş ederim ki Buhtunnasr kal‘a-i Sıfet'e ve şehr-i Taberistân ve şehr-i Askalân'a ve Arz-ı Hasan'a etmemiş ola." deyü nâmesin Ahlat pâdişâhına gönderir. Ahlat pâdişâhı da bir alây-ı Dârü'l-Büleh ya‘nî Oğuz kavim kimesneler bir yire gelüp Musul içün bed-du‘â ederler. Bi-emri Hudâ ol gice bir zelzele-i azîm olup şehr-i Musul cümle ahâlîsiyle helâk olup şehri harâb olur.”“(Locals tell that) ... Ruler of Mosul insulted so much the ruler of Ahlat in a letter: “I’d do something very evil to you, that even Nebuchadnezzar didn’t do on Safed, Taberistan, Ascalon and land of Hasan”. Ruler of Ahlat comes to a place with many Büleh Oghuz and they curse on Mosul. That night, with the order of God, all the city of Mosul and its inhabitants destroyed by a great earthquake.”At the same page, in the following paragraph there is a poem about the destruction of Mosul by Mongols. “Lyrics of Midâc, makam of Sabâ, usul of Sofyân, and language is Assyrian”. I don’t know if it is in Assyrian or not as I don’t have enough knowledge about that language and Evliya writes words as far as he heard and understood and he gives a translation:Lev şilî ballem bî lânıkîŞum bize bir nâlûmı berkî.Ahbû tırminânî çarkî.Kitülle buhtarsem hırkî.There is no permanance in this worldIt's a planet, grief and joy passesWhatever you do, it runs awayIf you are capable, don't be tricked too muchGravestones of Ahlat-Shahs “Kings of Ahlat” also called Ermen-Shahs “Kings of Armenia”We still believe naively that war is for war time, when we show our loving hearts in peace time, 72 millets’ cold heart will just melt and we’ll be friends again. As a general rule, when you approach Turk hostile, you’ll get equal treatment, but if you approach with smiles (sincere or not, Turk is naive and won’t sense the sneakiness) Turk will treat you well many times more than you do. But Turkish revenge is fierce.Everybody in Turkey, may recite the following words of Yaşar Usta (Master/Leadmen Yaşar) from memory (“Bizim Aile”, at 1:28:08):Bizim Aile - Youtube“If something happens to a piece of hair of them (his family), I, Yaşar Usta who never hurt even an ant during lifetime, shot you without thinking. Shot and not look back again.”In the next movie (“Aile şerefi” at 1:29:33), this time Sucu (the Water Seller) Rıza is on real action for the honor of his family, he doesn’t even blink his eyes, never.Aile Şerefi - YoutubeThese movies show the typical Turkish family structure until 90s, the age of technology.Early Ottoman period TurkificationFrom the history book of Aşıkpaşazade (1400-1484):“(When Orhan Gazi and his ghazis entered İznik/Nicea) heathens greeted them, as if their king is dead and his son succeeds. Especially there were many women. Orhan Gazi asked: “Where are their men?”. They answered: “They are dead, some because of war, some of hunger”. There were many beauties among them. Orhan Gazi ordered to his ghazis: “Marry these widows (with nikah)”. They did. They gave the upscale houses of the city to newly-weds. (Aşıkpaşazade adds a comment) “House and woman ready, who wouldn’t accept””For the 14th century Anatolia, the conquest and Turkification, I can advise you to watch “Hacivat Karagöz Neden Öldürüldü (2006)” movie. In the movie, you will see not only Tengriist and Christian Turks (Pechenegs) but also Mongolians and Anatolian people converting to Islam.Hacivat Karagöz Neden Öldürüldü? - YoutubeIf you liked the cin/demon figures of Kam Ana/Shaman Mother, you can check Siyah Kalem.This movie is not a documentary so there are exaggerations, historical errors and references to modern Turkish politics. The movie itself is about Karagöz and Hacivat/Καραγκιόζης/Karađoz so it’s a comedy.At 1:34:14 Orhan Ghazi and his ghazis come back to Bursa from battles and conquests. The song is a poem of Yunus Emre (1238–1320), the most respected poet of Turkey.(Full poem below, parts in the movie) İNDİK RUM’DA KIŞLADIKHak’dan gelen şerbetiİçdük elhamdülillahŞol kudret deniziniGeçdük elhamdülillahThe sharbat sent down from TruthWe drank it, glory be to God.We sailed over the ocean of powerGlory be to God.Kurıyıduk yaş oldukAyağıduk baş oldukKanatlanduk kuş oldukUçduk elhamdülillahWe were dry, we moistenedWe were foot, we became headWe took wings, we became birdWe flew, glory be to God.Varduğumuz illereŞol safa gönüllereBaba Taptuk manisinSaçduk elhamdülillahTo lands we came toInto that joyful heartsWe distributed the preaching of Baba TapdukGlory be to God.Beri gel barışalumYadısan bilişelümAtumuz eyerlendiEşdük elhamdülillahCome here, let's make peaceLet's know each other if you are a strangerOur horse saddledWe rode in full speed, glory be to God.İndük Rum'da kışladıkÇok hayr u şer işledikÜç bahar geldi girüGöçdük elhamdülillahWe descended, we wintered in Roman lands (born and raised)We committed many good and evil things (we lived)Three springs (childhood-adulthood-old age) have passedWe moved away/migrated (died), glory be to God.Dirildük pınar oldukİrkildük ırmag oldukAkduk denize doldukTaştık elhamdülillahWe revived, we became a springWe awoke, we became a riverWe flowed, we filled into the sea,We overflowed, glory be to God.Taptuk'un tapusundaKul olduk kapusındaYunus miskin çiğidükBişdük elhamdülillahWith the permission of TaptukWe became servant at his doorPoor Yunus, we were rawWe got cooked, glory be to God.Back to movie, at 1:55:40 another Yunus Emre poem starts:(Full poem below, a bit different than the movie) DÖRT KİTABIN MANASIMiskînlikden buldılar kimde erlik varısaNerdübândan yitdiler yüksekden bakarısaGönül yüksekde gezer dem-be-dem yoldan azarTaş yüzine ol sızar içinde ne varısa≈Whoever is a real human, it is revealed in humblenessIf you look down at others, you'll get pushed down the stairsIf your heart goes around on high, you diverge from this pathWhatever is inside always leaks outsideAk sakallu pîr koca bilmez ki hâli niceEmek yimesin hacca bir gönül yıkarısaSağır işitmez sözi gice sanur gündüziKördür münkirün gözi ‘âlem münevver iseWhite bearded old, can't know how is himselfIf he breaks a single heart, why bother going to pilgrimage (Mecca)?Deaf can't hear words, he thinks that the night is daytimeDenier's eye is blind even the world is illuminatedGönül Çalab'un tahtı gönüle Çalap bahdıİki cihan bed-bahtı kim gönül yıkarısaSen seni ne sanursan ayruga da anı sanDört kitâbun ma‘nîsi budur eger varısaHeart is the throne of God, God looked at the heartWhoever breaks another's heart, (becomes) miserable in two worldsWhatever you think for yourself, think same for othersThis is the meaning of four books*, if there is anyBildük gelenler geçmiş konanlar girü göçmişAşk şarâbından içmiş kim ma‘nî tuyarısaYunus yoldan ırmasun yüksek yirde turmasunSinle Sırât görmesün sevdügi dîdârısaThe ones who know passed, settlers migratedWhoever drank the wine of love, understands the meaningYunus, don't leave this path, don't stand on high≈If his/her eyes are fixed on the face of beloved, he/she won’t be bothered by the As-Sirāt after death*Four books: Holy books - Torah, Psalms, Gospel, QuranOne beautiful poem from Yunus to make you understand him and people of that age more:Çarh-ı felek yogıdı cânlarumuz var ikenBiz ol vaktin dost idük Azrâîl ağyâr ikenThere was no wheel of fortune, when our souls existWe were friends back then, when Azrael was a strangerNiçe yıllar biz anda cem‘ idük cân kânındaHakîkat âleminde ma‘rifet söyler ikenMany years we were one in that*, in soul and bloodWhile saying ma'rifa in the world of haqiqaÇalap aşkı cândaydı bu bilişlik andaydıÂdem-Havvâ kandaydı biz anunla yâr ikenLove of God was in soul, this cognition was in that*Where were Adam and Eve, while we were lovers with that*Dün geldi sâfî Âdem dünyâya basdı kademİblîs aldadı ol dem Uçmak'da gezer ikenPure Adam came yesterday, stepped on earthWhile he was roaming on heaven, the Devil tricked (him) at that timeOl vaktin biz uçarduk cevlân urup göçerdükNûrdan şarâb içerdük Hak bizi toylar ikenAt that time we were flying, hunting gazelles and migrating/movingWe were drinking wine made of divinal light, while God gives us a feastCânlar anda bilişdi ol dem gönül alışdıÂlem halkı karışdı denizler kaynar ikenSouls knew eachother in that, heart got used to (eachother) at that timePeople of earth mixed while the seas were boilingŞükür bu deme geldük dostları bunda buldukTuz-ekmek bile yidük aşk demin oynar ikenHallelujah, we came to this time, we found the friends in thisWe even eat salt and bread**, while playing in love timeNe oğul vardı ne kız vâhid idük anda bizKonşıyıduk cümlemüz nûr tağın yaylar ikenThere was no male no female, we were one in that*We were neighbours while all of us spend summer at mountain of divinal lightNe gök varıdı ne yir ne zeber vardı ne zîrYunus dostdan haber vir aşkıla göyner ikenThere was no sky no earth no above no belowYunus, give news from the friend, while heart boils in love*As Turkish language has no gender, it's weird to call God as "he". I translated "o" as "that".**Wikipedia does even mention about Game of Thrones’ bread&salt but not Turkish “salt and bread right”. If wikipedia doesn’t have it, then it does not exist (quote from Star Wars II, library scene with Obi-Wan Kenobi) – not knowing salt&bread right means being vile, dishonorable, unchivalruous.Wow, poem sounds like "Imagine" of John Lennon. One quote from Aşıkpaşazade about a contemporain of Yunus Emre:“Osman Ghazi was very respectful to the heathens of Bilecik. They asked why. He said “They are our neighbours. When we came to these land in harsh conditions, they treated us nicely. Now it's our sacred duty to respect them"”.“Turkifiers” called “alperen” (don’t get confused with this). “Alp” means something like “Knight” and “Eren (lit.reacher [to God])” means “Dervish”. Their duty was to conquer the area then settle and live an exemplary lifestyle among local people. For better understanding, imagine something like American missionaries+American marines+English teachers+Hollywood stars and their lodge as an American military base+Protestant church+English learning school. Add the “Invincible Turk” image similar to “Invincible American” image. They didn’t have TV but they were stars as they melted the hearts by Bektashi poems, Mevlevi sama and other orders’ dhikrs. Then people start to be impressed by this “cool and tolerant culture”, where people of different faiths may pray together. Don’t forget, we are talking about the first centuries of Empire, and nobody talked about the similarities of opium and religion yet. It’s still the age of crusades and “lesser” jihads, everybody killing each other “heroically” just because they name the God/Universe/etc differently.Balım Sultan (16th c.), was born in Dimetoka lodge to Mürsel Baba and a Greek mother or a “Serbian princess”. If you visit Haji Bektash Veli Complex, you will see his grave and graves of many other Dimetoka born people, in Nevşehir, Cappadocia which is in Karaman Eyaleti. He is the one who codified Bektashi Order. Also there were some other “baba”s (father/leader) who was born in Dimetoka: John III Doukas Vatatzes “the Father of the Greeks”, Fatih Sultan Mehmet “Father of Conquest”, Spartacus “Father of Rebellion” (well he was not directly from the town but he was a Thracian).After the lodges opened and some Turks settled in strategic centers (İskan Policy), infrastructure started to be built. As Anatolia infrastructure largely built in Seljuk and beylik times, Ottomans invested almost solely in Istanbul and Rumeli. Quora user Ayse T. Dogu explains the urban organization in her entry:https://www.quora.com/What-did-the-Ottomans-do-after-they-conquer-the-area-Were-the-names-of-the-cities-Turkified-Did-they-build-new-cities/answer/Ayse-T-DoguA very interesting story from early Ottoman times; Sheikh Bedreddin and his year 1416 revolt against Empire with support from Börklüce Mustafa, Torlak Kemal and people of Turkmen, Greek and Jewish descent. If you can find, read it from Nâzım Hikmet (1902-1963) (he’s from Galatasaray too), you will find it interesting even if you are not leftist like Nazım.SOME POEMS TO UNDERSTAND TURKS IN PEACETIMEMazhar ve Fuat - Adımız Miskindir Bizim (1973)(In the song, parts of two poems combined)1Kimseye düşmân tutmazuzAgyâr dahı yârdur bizeKanda ıssuzlık varısaMahalle vü şârdur bizeWe bear no grudge towards anybodyEven the foreigners are friend to usWherever there is solitudeThat is a city and a settlement for usAdumuz miskîndür bizümDüşmânumuz kimdür bizümBiz kimseye kîn tutmazuzKamu ‘âlem yârdur bizeOur name is miskin*Who (no one) is our enemyWe bear no grudge towards anybodyAll the world is lover to us*Miskin: Poor, dervish2Biz dünyâdan gider olduk kalanlara selâm olsunBizüm içün hayır-du‘â kılanlara selâm olsunMiskin Yunus söyler sözi kan yaşıla toldı göziBilmeyen ne bilsün bizi bilenlere selâm olsunWe are about to leave this world, salutations to the ones who stayedSalutations to the ones who says good prayers for usMiskin Yunus says his words, his eyes filled with bloody tearsThe one who doesn't know, never knows us, salutations to the ones who knowsZAHİT BİZİ TAN EYLEME (Ascetic, don't reveal us)Erkan Oğur - İsmail Hakkı - Zahit Bizi Tan Eyleme - YoutubeZahid bizi ta'n eylemeHak ismin okur dilimizSakın efsane söylemeHazret'e varır yolumuzAscetic, don't reveal usOur tongue reads the name of TruthDon't tell fairy talesOur road coming from the Exalted OneSayılmayız parmağ ileTükenmeyiz kırmağ ileTaşramızdan sormağ ileKimse bilmez ahvalimizWe can't be counted by fingerWe can't be terminated by killingBy asking about us outsideNobody knows our condition/featureErenler yolun güderizÇekilip Hakk'a giderizGaza-ı ekber ederizİmam Ali'dir ulumuzWe follow the road of the "eren*"sWe withdraw and go to the TruthWe make the Great Holy War (Fight against ego)Our high one is Imam AliErenlerin çoktur yoluCümlesine dedik beliGören bizi sanır deliUsludan yeğdir delimiz"Eren*"s have many ways (to reach Truth)We call all of them okThe one who sees us thinks that we are insaneOur insane ones are preferable to the sane onesTevhid eden deli olmazAllah deyen mahrum kalmazHer seher açılır solmazBahara erer gülümüzThe one who seeks unity, can't fall into insanityThe one who says Allah, can't fall into needinessBlooms every morning, never fades awayOur rose reaches to the springMuhyi sana ola himmetAşık isen cana minnetElif Allah Mim MuhammedKisvemizdir dalımızMuhyi, benevolence be upon youIf you are in love, that is more than enoughA Allah M Muhammad(?) Our D is our costume*Eren=(lit.)reacher, (meaning) the one who reaches the TruthEY ZAHİT ŞARABA EYLE İHTİRAM (O ascetic, honour the wine)Erkan Oğur - İsmail Hakkı Demircioğlu Ey Zahit Şaraba - YoutubeEy zahit şaraba eyle ihtiramMüslüman ol terk et bu kil-ü kaliEhline helaldir na-ehle haramBiz içeriz bize yoktur vebaliO ascetic, honour the wineBe a muslim, stop spreading rumoursIt's halal* to the qualified ones, haram* to unqualified onesWe drink, there is no sin for usSevaba girmek çün içeriz şarapİçmezsek oluruz duçar-i azapSenin aklın ermez bu başka hesapMeyhanede bulduk biz bu kemaliTo gain merit on God's sight, we drink wineIf we don't drink, we become sufferrer of tormentYour mind can't understand this, this is another type of calculationWe found this maturity in the winehouseKandil geceleri kandil oluruzKandilin içinde fitil oluruzHakkı göstermeye delil oluruzFakat kör olanlar görmez bu haliIn the holy nights, we become the candleWe become the wick in the candleWe become the proof to show the TruthBut the blind ones can't see this situationSen münkirsin sana haramdır badeBekle ki içesin öbür dünyadaBahs açma Harabi bundan ziyadeÇünkü bilmez haram ile helaliYou are denier, wine is haram to youIf you wait, maybe you can drink it in the other worldDon't talk Harabi more than thatBecause he doesn't know what is haram or halal*Haram: Sinful to do. Halal: Reverse of haramNext one is from Kaygusuz Abdal/Carefree Dervish (14-15th century). This poem reminds me these ignorant t-shirts:Yücelerden yüce TanrıGündüzlerden gece Tanrıİsmin vardır cismin yokturSen benzersin hiçe TanrıGreat of the greats, GodNight among the days, GodYou have name but no bodyYou look like nothing, GodYücelerden yüce gördümErbabsın sen koca TanrıBu allahlığı sen nerdenSatın aldın kaça TanrıI saw great of greatsYou are the master, great GodWhere did you (get) this Allah-shipHow much did you pay, GodAli ile bir olmuşsunBir mektepte okumuşsunAli olmuş hafız kelamSen okursun hece TanrıTogether with AliYou were educated in a schoolAli became a hafizYou (still) read syllables, GodKıldan bir köprü yapmışsınGelsin kullar geçsin deyuHele biz şöyle duralımYiğit isen sen geç Tanrı(I heard that) You created a bridge out of hairTo let subjects (humans) passLet us stay hereIf you are brave, you pass it, GodYaratmışsın bağ-u cennetKulların etsinler sohbetCehennemi ne yarattınBe akılı koca Tanrı(I heard that) You created the Garden of Eden(To) let your subjects make conversationsWhy did you create hellO wise great GodUnuttuk diye namazıBizi ateşe atarsınKul yanması abes değilGel bas kızgın saca TanrıBecause we forgot the salahYou throw us into fireIt is not weird for humans to be burnedCome step on hot plate, GodSenin kulların anılırAtası anası ileSenin anan baban yokturBenzersin bir TanrıYour subjects namedAfter their parentsYou have no parentsYou look like a GodSeni her yerde görürümİçin dışını bilirimSırrın halka faş edersemHalin nice olur TanrıI see you everywhereI know your inside and outIf I reveal your secret to peopleWhat will happen to you, GodKaygusuz'um der buradanCümle mahluku yaradanKaldır perdeyi aradanGezelim beraber TanrıMy Kaygusuz says hereCreator of all creaturesRemove the curtain in-betweenLet's roam around together, GodAs you may guess, mainstream religious spheres didn’t get the meaning and Kaygusuz have been called blasphemous. So “Kaygusuz is dead” for them.Ben Melamet Hırkasını Kendim Giydim Eğnime – Kul Nesîmî (17th c.) not to be confused with Imadaddin Nasimi (14th c.) who was skinned alive.Ruhi Su - Ben Melamet Hırkasını - YoutubeBen melâmet hırkasını kendim giydim eğnimeÂr u nâmus şişesini taşa çaldım kime neGâh çıkarım gökyüzüne seyrederim âlemiGâh inerim yeryüzüne seyreder âlem beniI put the coat of malamatiyya on my back myselfSmashed the bottle of dignity on the ground, whose concern is itSometimes I climb up to the sky, to observe the worldSometimes I come down on earth, and the world observes meGâh giderim medreseye ders okurum Hak içinGâh giderim meyhaneye dem çekerim aşk içinSofular haram demişler bu aşkın şarabınaBen doldurur ben içerim günah benim kime neSometimes I visit the madrasah, study for the TruthSometimes I visit the wine house, drink for loveThe devout call it haram, the wine of my loveI fill, I drink, it's my sin, whose concern is itSofular secde ederler meclisin mihrabınaBenim ol dost eşiğidir secdegâhım kime neNesimî’ye sordular kim yarin ile hoş musunHoş olam ya olmayayım o yar benim kime neThe devout bow to prayer before the mihrab of the congregationMy place of worship is the threshold of friend, whose concern is itThey ask Nesimî, are you happy with your loverI am happy or not, that is my lover, whose concern is itUYUR İDİK UYARDILAR – Pir Sultan Abdal (1480–1550)Bektaşi Nefesleri - Uyur İdik Uyardılar - YoutubeUyur idik uyardılarDiriye saydılar biziKoyun olduk ses anladıkSürüye saydılar biziWe were sleeping, they waken us upThey counted us among the aliveWe became sheep, gave voicesThey counted us among the herdSürülüp kasaba gittikKanarada mekan tuttukSeri Hakk'a teslim ettikÖlüye saydılar biziWe've been herded and went to the butcherWe settled in slaughterhouseWe delivered the head to the TruthThey counted us among the deadHalimizi hal eyledikYolumuzu yol eyledikHer çiçekten bal eyledikArıya saydılar biziWe made our mood a moodWe made our way a wayWe collected honey from every flowerThey counted us among the beePir divanına dizildikAşk defterine yazıldıkBal olduk şerbet ezildikDoluya saydılar biziWe lined up in the divan (assembly) of pir (religious leader)We've been recorded to the book of loveWe became honey, we have been made a sherbetThey counted us among the winePir Sultan Abdal'ım şundaÇok keramet var insandaO cihanda bu cihandaAli'ye saydılar biziMy Pir Sultan Abdal in thatThere are many miracles in humanIn that world, in this worldThey counted us as AliA semah from RumeliRumeli Bektaşi SemahNext is from Pir Sultan Abdal again. It is sung by Hayko Cepkin (singer of Armenian ethnicity). But video is a production of state television and there are semazens (of Mevlevi style), so video is propaganda and a bit ignorants' job.Hayko Cepkin Demedim mi - YoutubeGüzel aşk cevrimiziÇekemezsin demedim miBu bir rıza lokmasıdırYiyemezsin demedim miBeautiful love, our tortureDidn't I say you can't endureIt is a morsel of consentDidn't I say you can't eatYemeyenler kalır naçarGözlerinden kanlar saçarBu bir demdir gelir geçerDuyamazsın demedim miThose who didn't eat stays desperateThey spill blood out of their eyesIt is time, it passesDidn't I say you can't hearBak şu aşkın halineNe gelse söyler dilineCan ü başı Hak yolunaKoyamazsın demedim miLook at the situation of that loveWhatever he/she thinks, says immediately(Your) Life and head, to the way of TruthDidn't I say you can't putAşıklar harabat olurHak yanında hürmet bulurMuhabbet baldan tatl'olurDoyamazsın demedim miLovers are miserableThey find respect at the presence of TruthConversation becomes sweeter than honeyDidn't I say you can't never be satisfied enoughErelim Ali sırrınaÇıkalım meydan yerineKüfrümüz iman yerineSayamazsın demedim miLet's reach to secret of AliLet's go out to meydanOur blasphemy (1), as faith (2)Didn't I say you can't regard (1) as (2)Pir Sultan'ım der Şah'ımızHakk'a ulaşır rahımızOn'ki imam katarımızUyamazsın demedim miMy Pir Sultan says our ShahOur voice reaches to TruthTwelve imams our lineDidn't I say you can't get alongŞEYTAN BUNUN NERESİNDE – Aşık Dertli (1772-1846), played by metal group Pentagram (known in Europe as “Mezarkabul”)Pentagram - Seytan Bunun Neresinde - YoutubeTelli sazdır bunun adıNe ayet dinler, ne kadıBunu çalan anlar kendiŞeytan bunun neresinde?Telli saz (a music instrument) is its nameIt doesn't care neither words of Quran nor kadı (Islamic law judges)The one who plays it understandsWhere is the Satan on it?Abdest alsan aldın demezNamaz kılsan kıldın demezKadı gibi haram yemezŞeytan bunun neresinde?If you perform ablution, it doesn't say "you did"If you perform salah, it doesn't say "you did"It doesn't eat haram* like the kadı doesWhere is the Satan on it?*Haram: lit.Forbidden things in Islam, but in daily usage it only means the wealth which is not earned by honest workVenedik'ten gelir teliArdıç ağacından koluBe Allahın şaşkın kuluŞeytan bunun neresinde?Its wire comes from VeniceIts neck is of juniper treeO the fool subject of GodWhere is the Satan on it?İçinde mi, dışında mıBurgusunun başında mıGöğsünün nakışında mıŞeytan bunun neresinde?In it or out of it?At the tip of its tuning pegs?At the dessin of its sound board?Where is the Satan on it?Dut ağacından teknesiGirişten bağlı perdesiBehey insanın teres'iŞeytan bunun neresinde?Its bowl is of mulberry treeIts frets linked by the entranceO the stupid of humansWhere is the Satan on it?Dertli gibi sarıksızdırAyağı da çarıksızdırBoynuzu yok, kuyruksuzdurŞeytan bunun neresinde?It is without a turban like DertliIts feet are shoelessIt doesn't have horns, it is tail-lessWhere is the Satan on it?ÖNÜME BİR ÇIĞIR GELDİ – Şah Hatayi (poetic name)/ Shah Ismail (1487-1524) (real name) Shah of Iran, sung by Sabahat Akkiraz (1955-) one term MP in TurkeySabahat Akkiraz - YoutubeNimri Dede first half of 20th c., sung by Arif Sağ - İnsan Olmaya GeldimYılanların Öcü Soundtrack Arif Sağ - İnsan Olmaya Geldim (1985) - Youtubeİkilik kinini içimden atıpÖzde ben bir insan olmaya geldimTaht kuralı ariflerin gönlüneSözde ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldimTo get rid of the grudge of dualityI came to become a human in the essenceEnthroned in the hearts of wise onesI came to become a human in wordsI came to put my head on meydanMeğerse aşk imiş canın mayasıOna mihrab olmuş kaşın arasıHakk'ın işlediği kudret boyasıYüzde ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldim(I learned that) The love is the yeast of soulThe point between the eyebrows is the altar (of love)Paint of might handled by the TruthI came to become a human in faceI came to put my head on meydanBütün mürşidlerin tarif ettiğiSadıkların menziline yettiğiEnbiyanın evliyanın gittiğiİzde ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldim(The trace) Which is identified by all the guidesWhich is reached by all the loyal onesWhich prophets and saints went toI came to become a human in the traceI came to put my head on meydanBen de bir zamanlar baktım bakıldımNice yıllar bir kemende takıldımO aşkı mecazla yandım yakıldımKözde ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldimMe too, I have looked and been lookedMany years I was tied by a lassoI have burned and been burned with that figurative loveI came to become a human in cindersI came to put my head on meydanSüregeldim aşk meyini içerekHer bir akı karasından seçerekVarlık dağlarını delip geçerekDüzde ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldimI continued to drink the wine of loveI have chosen every white out of blackBy piercing through the mountains of existenceI came to become a human in the flatlandsI came to put my head on meydanGör ki Nimri Dede şimdi neyleyiGerçek aşkı her gönüle söyleyiHer türlü sefaya veda eyleyiSazda ben bir insan olmaya geldimSerimi meydana koymaya geldimSee what Nimri Dede is doing nowTelling the true love to every heartSaying goodbye to every pleasureI came to become a human in musicI came to put my head on meydanKORKİREM this one is from Azerbaijan or Eastern TurkeyKORKİREM - 1988 - YoutubeAy balamTek başıma çıkıram benDağlara bala dağlaraYangını volkan göriremCin görirem can göriremMezerde hortlak göriremBin türlü tufan göriremGulllibi yaban görirem korkmiremKorkmirem bala korkmirem X2O my childI go out all aloneTo the mountains child to the mountainsI see fire and volcanoI see djinns and demonsI see ghost in the graveI see 1000 types of disastersI see ghouls of the wild, I don't fearI don't fear my child I don't fearAy balamŞafak vakti düşirem benÇöllere bala çöllereKükremiş aslan göriremKan yiyen sırtlan göriremDalgalı umman göriremCin görirem can göriremMezerde hortlak göriremBin türlü tufan göriremGulllibi yaban görirem korkmiremKorkmirem bala korkmirem X2O my childI hit the road at the dawnTo the wilds my child to the wildsI see roaring lionI see blood eating hyenaI see wavy oceanI see djinns and demonsI see ghost in the graveI see 1000 types of disastersI see ghouls of the wild, I don't fearI don't fear my child I don't fearAy balamBu korkmamazlığım ile X2Vallahi bala billahi bala tillahi balaHarda bir yobaz göriremHarda bir softa göriremHarda bir molla göriremKorkirem bala korkiremKandan fikirlerindenRiyakâr zikirlerindenKorkirem bala korkiremO my childWith all my lack of fearI swear on God, my childWherever I see a puritan/fanaticWherever I see a blind followerWherever I see a mullah (religious man in politics)I fear my child I fearOf their bloody thoughtsOf their hypocrite dhikrsI fear my child I fearBektashis in Turkey are known with witty jokes, sharp criticism and extensive usage of irony, metaphors, swear words and alcohol. Maybe we can add manipulation of weaker minds in a good way- a jedi skill.Next poem is from Kazak Abdal/”Wanderer Dervish” from Turks of Romania (17th c. Dobruca/Deliorman Dobrogea/Лудогорие Romania and Bulgaria), sung by KıraçKıraç - Eşşeği saldım çayıra - YoutubeEşeği saldım çayıraOtlaya karnın doyuraGördüğü düşü hayıraYoranın da avradını ...I released the donkey to the meadowLet it feed its bellyThe person who expect good things out of his dream... the wife of that personMünkir münâfıkın soyuYıktı harap etti köyüMezarına bir tas suyuDökenin de avradını ...Seed of denier and hatemongerDestroyed and ruined the villageThe person who spill a cup of water on his grave... the wife of that personMüfsidin bir de gammazınMalı vardır da yemezinİkisin meyyit namazınKılanın da avradını ...Conspirator and also informerThe one who doesn't spend his wealth (ungenerous)The person who prays in funeral ceremony of both... the wife of that personDerince kazın kuyusunİnim inim inilesinKefen dikmeye iğnesinVerenin de avradını ...Dig his well (grave) deepLet him groan in painThe person who gave needle to sew his shroud... the wife of that personDağdan tahta getireninMezarına götüreninTalkınını bitireninİmâmın da avradını ...The one who get wood from the mountainThe one who carry it to his graveThe one who ends his preach... the wife of that priestKazak Abdal söz söylediCümle halkı dahleylediSorarlarsa kim söylediSoranında avradını ...Kazak Abdal said his wordsHe added all the people (into his speech)If they ask who said that... the wife of the people who askNext poem is from Neyzen Tevfik (Tevfik the Ney performer) (1879-1953). It’s highly artistic poem with heavy swears. No translation.Âlemin bağ-zârını ...eyimSünbül ü verd ü nârını ...eyimAndelib-i nizârını ...eyimHâsılı nev-baharını ...eyim!Bana yoktur lüzumu gülşeninin,Şeb-i tarîk ü rûz-ı rûşenininNe gulâmının ne de zennininHepsinin tâ mezarını ...eyim!Ağlamam ben, ben erkeğim erkek,Hayli güçtür bana cefâ etmek,Minnet etmem bu ömre de felek,Atını al, tımarını ...eyim!Güççedir bu fakiri aldatmak,Yüzdürüp sonra kündeden atmak,Gözünü aç da sen bana bir bak,Ben senin i'tibarını ...eyim!Saki-i mâh-rûyına ...ayım,Gülünün reng ü bûyuna ...ayım,Mutrîbin hâyâ-hûyuna ...ayım,Sâgar-ı neşvedârını ...eyim!Yok sâfâsı hezâr-ı dem-gerinin,Gül-sitanda şükûfe-i terinin,Bezm-i sahbâ-yı rûh-perverininNeşvesiyle hümârını ...eyim!Feleğin uğradımsa vartasına,S..ayım ağzının ta ortasına,Bunu yazsın cihan da hartasına,Kıta'at ü bihârını ...eyimBRIEF OTTOMAN HISTORY WITH SONGS AND MOVIESMama, i TurchiMarch of Attack followed by a Gülbang (a Bektashi prayer of Janissaries in this case):Mehter - Hücum Marşı ve Gülbang - YoutubeEvliya Çelebi (1611-1682):Before the start of history section, I want to introduce Evliya Çelebi: Writer of Seyahatname, who tries to give us every possible detail of every place and if he had time every person in all the lands of Ottoman Empire (excluding Libya, Tunis and Algeria, including Austria, Iran etc).At first, he may seem a dreamer, or maybe a fool who keeps telling fake stories to get attention from his readers (17th century Ottoman intellectuals and court people). But I can say if he tells a story, he always adds something like "they told me this, i didn't see with my own eyes". So, you realize when he will tell something absurd/supernatural.According to him; he is a descendant of “Türk-i Türkân Hoca Ahmed Yesevi”/”Ahmed of Yesi(Turkistan city) the Teacher, Turk of Turks” who sent Hadji Bektash Veli and his men (alp-erens/warrior-dervishes) to Anatolia and Balkans (to Turkify the land). Yesevî is from “Mahan” (Turkistan) like the ancestors of Ottomans and Seljuks. Yesevi can be named as the founder of Muslim-Turkification; wrote his most famous work “Divan-ı Hikmet” in Turkish (11th-12th c.) despite the Arabian/Persian trend, and he and his disciples teach the religion (and social values, virtues) in Turkish. You can see his words in Yunus Emre’s poems. Main tariqats link themselves to Yesevi.Evliya says he can recite whole Quran from memory in 7 hours, he makes conversations in the divan with Sultan and other bigheads as he knows many poems/stories literary ones but also immodest ones. He's been sent with envoys to many foreign lands. He interacts with these people as much as he can and compares Ottoman practices with them. He goes to battles with army (Crete War, battles against Germans, Cossacs, rebellious Romanians, wars in Hungary, endless internal clashes in Anatolia etc). When they conquer (for example Candia, Crete in 1669) he is the first one to recite adhan from the highest point. He's not a warrior though. He encounters every kind of people/incidents on the road (bandits, ship accidents etc).As long as he has time, he diligently gives every information about the location he can get: How many steps long is the width of its castle, how many mosques, churches, dervish lodges, wells, hammams, cafés, houses, neighborhoods, trade stores, inns etc in and out of castle. How many paintings in the temples, how wide are they, what's written on the buildings, graffities (Evliya also leaving graffities everywhere, farthest is in Germany). What are the names of authorities, “holy” people, doctors, surgeons, rich people. What they eat, produce, sell, wear. How their people look like, they speak, how they practice religion ("xx tribe of cirkassians/xx say that they are muslims/christians but they don't have even a bit information about Islam/Christianity, they think doing xx is true"), their folk stories (here the supernatural things start) and "miracles" (Evliya tries to solve the mysteries of ever burning flames, rocks standing in the air with no support, the springs which doesn't flow when someone who had experienced "passive" role in sex is nearby etc.). When you read him, you can see actually there is not much difference between the people of those days and today. Similar jokes, similar beliefs and expectations about life itself. Same portion of bad and good people.His portrayals of... well everything is just stunning. He describes every thing (city/building/person/language/society) with fabulous, elaborate and very attractive words. And many of these words, things, professions, even plants are kinda forgotten today.I discovered Quora through an entry of Dimitris Almyrantis. That’s why I want to give an example of Evliya’s descriptions from Dimitri’s hometown (or environs):(Some of Evliya’s routes in Southern Greece)(Simplified) “Village of Kalokitolar/Koita?: Between the steep ridges and rocks, 6 big villages are unified. They have 2200 rifle-user heathens. They have tiny vineyards. From here to village of Vatiye/Vathia in the south, land is called İç Manya/Mesa Mani. This Inner Mania people have another dialect: First, they count money like this. eno 1 diyo 2 tero 3 tesero 4 pendo 5 ekso 6 efto 7 ohto 8 enko 9 dokon 10 kalımbok bread ıksilo wood avgom egg naldirfe bidem my love mavrom matyamu my life gıgayinke gohatuna my life my dear woman puliya samura salamor pickle of quail bird. They have many thousands colorful void words but they sing this (next) song with a melancholic voice in rehâvî makâm like English pipe and trumpet:Fesanesa lesa lesa ke firitye setu karavi,Le le le le le le le le leha,Lefkada kemu peda kemu maro matyemu yuvuraviLe le le le le le le le leha,Tun zarifun tanbiçar yotomor fonda palikarvuy,Le le le le le le le le leha,İhayinke gohatunaki hapayis tohama merravi,Le le le le le le le le leha.(…) While we were making tahrir (writing/counting/calculating) of the village of Kolorya/?, we saw a very beautiful woman with her baby in her arms. She rose up and hold my horse, she said: “O my dear Evliya, I am Saime, daughter of Bardunya/Vardounia Captain Emir Hasan Ağa. You ate salt and bread of my father. I am captive here for years.” I said: “Let me get you to your parents”. She said: “No my dear Çelebi, my little child is from my Captain Lemberaki, we go to church together, I don’t want emirate.”It’s an example of reverse Turkification or Hellenification, I guess. Anyway, Mesa Mani looks like this; Asterix's village is Mesa Mani, Gaul is Greece, Romans (Latin/Pagan/Res-publica) are Romans (Turk/Muslim/Res-Imperatoris).Actually, Evliya’s Seyahatnâme (10 volumes) published completely in 2010s even in modern Turkish. I'm not sure if it is translated wholly into another language. There are translations of parts here and there, and some academic search using his work (on architecture, linguistics etc). The volumes (full in 17th century Turkish):1. Istanbul and surrounding areas (1630)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20I.pdf2. Anatolia, the Caucasus, Crete and Azerbaijan (1640)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20II.pdf3. Syria, Palestine, Armenia and Rumeli (1648)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20III.pdf4. Eastern Anatolia, Iraq, and Iran (1655)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20IV.pdf5. Russia and the Balkans (1656)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20V.pdf6. Military Campaigns in Hungary (1663/64)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20VI.pdf7. Austria, Crimea, and the Caucasus for the second time (1664)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20VII.pdf8. Greece and then Crimea and Rumeli for the second time (1667–1670)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20VIII.pdf9. the Pilgrimage to Mecca (1671)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20IX.pdf10. Egypt and Sudan (1672)http://docs.neu.edu.tr/library/nadir_eserler_el_yazmalari/SEYAHATNAMELER/Evliya%20Celebi%20Matbu-Yeni/Seyahatname%20X.pdfOttoman-Habsburg Wars (16-18th century):Es ist schon dunkel. Türken kommen. Türken kommen.Evliya Çelebi have written these in the middle of 17th century, comparing Magyars, Austrians/Germans and Ottomans:“Ba‘dehu Nemse Macar üzre musallat olup re‘âyâ etdi, ammâ Macar kavmi yanında Nemse çufud gibidir, aslâ yürekleri yokdur ve kılıç urup ata binüp fârisü'l-hayl değildir, ammâ yayan tüfenglisi Nemse'nin hakkâ ki âteşfeşândır, ammâ ancak belinde bir şişi var, kaçan tüfeng atsa bir çatal ağaç üzre koyup tüfeng atar, Osmânlı gibi koldan tüfeng atamaz, gözlerin yumup tevekkülli tüfeng atarlar. Ve siyâh şapkaları büyükdür ve pabuçlarının burunları uzundur ve ökçeleri yüksekdir. Ve yaz u kış ellerinden eldivanları çıkmak ihtimâli yokdur.Ammâ kavm-i Macar'ın gerçi devletleri za‘îfdir, ammâ sofra sâhibleridir ve müsâfir katlanırlar ve vilâyetleri ekin biçin vilâyetleri olmak ile ekinci kavmdirler. Ve hakkâ ki bahâdır kavmdirler, Tatar gibi her vilâyete çatal atlar ile seğirdüp beşer onar tüfengleri ve bellerinde kılıçları var. Ve serhadli askerimizden fark olunmaz, eyle esbâb geyüp küheylân at binerler ve pâk gezerler ve pâk yerler ve müsâfire gâyet ri‘âyet ederler ve esîrlerine Nemse gibi işkence etmezler. Ve Osmânlı gibi kılıç çalarlar.El-hâsıl ikisi de kâfir-i bî-dînlerdir, ammâ Macar aslah-ı mevcûd pâk keferelerdir. Nemse gibi yüzlerin her sabâh sidikleri ile yaykamayup Osmânlı gibi Macar her sabâh yüzlerin su ile yaykarlar, ve's-selâm”(Simplified translation) “Austria made Magyars their subjects but comparing Magyars, Austrians are like Jews, they don’t have courage, they can’t fight on horse, but Austrian rifle infantry have firepower, but they use rifles after putting them on a forky rod, they can’t shoot while holding rifle on their arms like Ottomans do, they close their eyes while shooting. They have big black hats, long nosed shoes and high heels. And they wear gloves in summer and winter.Although Magyar state is weak, they are generous and hospitable and they are a farmer nation as they have arable lands. And surely, they are a heroic nation, they raid many provinces with their horses, rifles and swords, like Tatars. They are indistinguishable from our frontier soldiers; their clothes are similar, they ride horses, they clean themselves, they eat clean things, they treat their guests well and they never torture prisoners like Austrians do. And they use swords as Ottomans do.Both (Austrians and Magyars) are heathens, but Magyars are clean heathens. Magyars don’t wash their faces with urine every morning as Austrians do, but they wash with water as Ottomans.”Kırım'dan Gelirim - YoutubeKırım'dan gelirimAdım da Sinan'dırKılıcımın suyuKandır da dumandırI came from CrimeaAnd my name is SinanThe water of my sword isBlood and smokeKırım'dan gelirimAtım da Arap'tırGizlenme NemçeliMeydan da buradadır, Sinan da buradadırI came from CrimeaAnd my horse is ArabianDon't hide, German/AustrianBattlefield is here, and Sinan is here tooAfter the Battle of Saint Gotthard (1664), Evliya goes to Vienna for Peace of Vasvár. During negotiations:“(…) çâsârın vezîri Rudolfoş eydir: "Bizim Macar katanamızın zabtı aslâ bir vecih ile mümkin değildir, anlar hırsızlardır. Siz anları serhadlerinizde bulursanız dutup kazığa urun", dedikde bizim elçi paşa eydir: "Hadd-i zâtında biz dahi Tatar askerin ve deryâda Cezâyirli askerin zabt etmeğe kâdir değiliz. Tatar askerimiz şimden sonra Kızılelma'ya ve Ungurus diyârlarına bu sulhdan sonra gelirlerse siz de Tatar askerin dutup gözlerin oyun", dedikde hemân çâsâr ve Zoza vezîr ve ve dahi Mantikukula vezîr, "No no" deyüp şapkaların kelle-i bî-devletlerinden çıkarup eyitdiler: "Ya bu sulh böyle nice olur? Bir memlekete kim kırk elli bin Tatar iki kerre yüz bin at ile gele, ol diyârdan dahi ne umarsın. Bire meded siz hemân Tatar askerin zabt edin. Biz dahi Macar katanalarımızı pek zabt ederiz", deyü cevâb edüp sulh [u] salâh nâme tahrîr olunup elçi paşa eydir: (...)Ammâ bugün açlıkdan cümlemiz tamâm olduk. Ne su ve ne şerbet ve ne kahve ve ne bir lokma ta‘âm yemeyüp batn-ı cî‘ân dedüğü gibi Arabın aç karnına avdet edüp Âl-i Osmân dîvânın bu mahalde hâtıra getirüp henüz devlet-i Âl-i Osmân'ın ni‘meti kıymetin bildik.”(Simplified) “(…) Rudolfos, vizier of caesar said: "We can’t control our Magyars, they are thieves. If you find them in your soil, impale them ", then our ambassador pasha said: "And we can’t control neither Tatar soldiers on land and Algerian (North African and Aegean islander) soldiers on sea. If our Tatars come to your land after the peace, carve out their eyes". Thereupon caesar, Zoza (Johann von Sporck?) vizier and Raimondo Montecuccoli vizier said, "No no": "What kind of peace is that? What can you expect from the land after 40-50 thousand Tatar come with 200 thousand horses? Control your Tatars, we will control our Magyars. (...)But today we have starved to death. No water no sherbet no coffee not one morsel of food offered, we were like hungry belly of an Arab, we understood there the value of hospitality of State of House of Osman with respect.”The love life of Ottoman soldiers between battles:ESTERGON KALASIEstergon Kal'ası - YoutubeEstergon kalesi subaşı durakKemirir gönlümü bir sinsi firakGönül yar peşinde yar ondan ırakAkma Tuna akma ben bir dertliyimYar peşinde koşan kara bahtlıyımEsztergom Castle is a station by the waterA sneaky separation preys on my heartHeart is after lover, lover is far from itDon't flow Danube, I'm in troubleAn unlucky one who run after loverKOLBAŞININ KIRATIYine de Şahlanıyor - YoutubeYine de şahlanıyor aman,Kolbaşının yandım da kır atı,Görünüyor yandım aman,Bize serhad yolları.It rears up again aman*White horse of major - I'm burned*It's on the horizon - I'm burned amanRoads to the frontier for usDavullar çalınsın aman,Aman da cengi-i cengi de harbiyi,Görünüyor yandım aman,Bize sefer yolları.Let the drums be playedAman the song of warIt's on the horizon - I'm burned amanRoads of the campaign for usGâhi sefer olur aman,Aman da sefer sefer de eyleriz,Bahar erişince aman,Aman güzel severiz.When there is a campaign amanAman we go to the campaignWhen the spring come amanAman we love beautyGül yüzlü yari de aman,Aman da hile ile de sezeriz,Sefersiz olamaz aman,Aman er evlatları.Rose faced lover amanAman we sense her with? tricksThey can't do without campaign amanAman Children of men*I'm burned: May mean joy or pain, changes according to context*I don’t translate aman as it may mean many different emotionsRelations with Poland:In the next link, you can find a work prepared by Turk and Lech historians (only in Turkish and Polish):https://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/varliklar/dosyalar/eskisiteden/yayinlar/osmanli-arsivi-yayinlar/133_Yoldaki%20El%C3%A7i%2016%2006%202015.pdfThere are many letters in the work and relations were mostly cordial (except the 2nd Siege of Vienna). At the page 28, you can see an invitation letter to Zygmunt I Stary and his son for circumcision ceremony of Şehzade Bayezid and Cihangir by Sultan Süleyman. After page 252, there are letters about the settlement of Lech immigrants in Turkish lands during “Partitions of Poland” in 18 and 19th centuries.Ottoman-Iran Wars (16-19th century):I’m not even sure if this poem really belongs to Shah Ismail, but I like to think that he recited this just before the Battle of Chaldiran.ŞAH İSMAİL/HATAYİ – ELA GÖZLÜ PİRİM GELDİEla Gözlü Pirim Geldi - YoutubeEla gözlü pirim geldiDuyan gelsin işte meydanDört kapıyı kırk makamıBilen gelsin işte meydanMy colored eyed pir* has comeLet the one who hears come, here is the meydanFour gates and forty stagesLet the one who knows come, here is the meydanBen pirimi hak biliremYoluna kurban oluramDün doğdum bugün ölüremÖlen gelsin işte meydanI count my pir as rightI sacrifice myself for his pathYesterday I was born, today I dieLet the one who dies come, here is the meydanŞah Hatayi der sırrınıMeydana koymuş seriniNesimi gibi derisinYüzen gelsin işte meydanShah Hatayi tells his secretsHe put his head on the meydanLike NesimiLet the one who have been skinned alive come, here is the meydan*Pir: Religious leader, AliBefore and after the culmination of belligerent relations between Iran and Turkey, a significant amount of non-mainstream Muslim Turkmen people of both lands who doesn’t want to live under mainstream beliefs of the rulers, migrated to the other land and some killed in clashes. You can see the reactions to migrations and killings in the next two poems of Pir Sultan Abdal.GEÇTİ DOST KERVANI sung by Barış Manço (1943-1999) (he’s from Galatasaray too)Barış Manço - Geçti Dost Kervanı - YoutubeŞu karşı yaylada göç katar katarBir güzel sevdası gözümde tüterBu ayrılık bize ölümden beterGeçti dost kervanı eyleme beniOn that highland across, migration convoy after convoyI sigh for the love of a beautyThis separation is worse than death for usFriend's caravan have been passed, don't delay meŞu benim sevdiğim başta otururBir güzelin derdi beni bitirirBu ayrılık bize ölüm getirirGeçti dost kervanı eyleme beniThat one which I love, sits on the front end (of caravan)The trouble (of mind) about a beauty finishes (destroys) meThis separation will (probably) bring us deathFriend's caravan have been passed, don't delay mePir Sultan Abdal'ım kalkın aşalımAşıp yüce dağı engin düşelimÇok nimetin yedik helallaşalımGeçti dost kervanı eyleme beniMy Pir Sultan Abdal, rise up, let's passPassing high mountain let's reach the vast lands≈We ate so much on your expense, let's make it halal*Friend's caravan have been passed, don't delay me*Helalleşmek: If you can't return a good act, you have to ask for helallik, e.g. the person who gave food must say "this is halal for you"KARŞIDA GÖRÜNEN NE GÜZEL YAYLAErkan Oğur - Şaha Giderim - YoutubeKarşıda görünen ne güzel yaylaBir dem süremedim giderim böyleAla gözlü Pirim sen himmet eyleBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderimWhat a beautiful highland seen acrossI couldn't take pleasure of it, I'm just passing byMy colored eyed pir, give benevolenceMe too, I go to the Shah through this highlandEğer göğerüben bostan olursamŞu halkın diline destan olursamKara toprak senden üstün olursamBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderim?If I become a garden greenifiedIf I become an epic tale in the mouth of that peopleBlack soil, If I be on you (If I stay alive)Me too, I go to the Shah through this highlandBir bölük turnaya sökün dedilerYürekteki derdi dökün dedilerYayladan ötesi yakın dedilerBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderimThey said to a company of cranes to goThey said "empty/tell the troubles in your heart"They said "it's near after highland"Me too, I go to the Shah through this highlandDost elinden dolu içmiş deliyimÜstü kan köpüklü meşe seliyimBen bir yol oğluyum yol sefiliyimBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderimI'm insane who drank wine from the hand of friendI'm an oak with bloody foam on itI'm a son of path, fakir of pathMe too, I go to the Shah through this highlandAlınmış abdestim aldırırlarsaKılınmış namazım kıldırırlarsaSizde Şah diyeni öldürürlerseBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderimIf they force me to perform ablution, which is already performedIf they force me to perform salah, which is already performedIf in your way, they kill the one who says "Shah"Me too, I go to the Shah through this highlandPir Sultan Abdal'ım dünya durulmazGitti giden ömür geri dönülmezGözlerim de Şah yolundan ayrılmazBen de bu yayladan Şah'a giderimMy Pir Sultan Abdal the world would never be settled downGone the lifetime, never to be returnedMy eyes never leave the path of ShahMe too, I go to the Shah through this highlandRe-Capture of Baghdad (1638). Lyrics from Kayıkçı Kul Mustafa/Human/Servant of God Mustafa the Boatman (17th Century, a janissary and Bektashi poet), sung by Barış Manço.BARIŞ MANÇO HEY KOCA TOPÇU GENÇ OSMAN - YoutubeGenç Osman dediğin bir küçük uşakBeline bağlamış ibrişim kuşak of ofOf of, askerin içinde birinci uşakAllah Allah deyip geçer Genç Osman of ofOsman the Young, you called, is a little boyHe tied a silk belt on his waist, of ofOf of, he is the prime boy amongst soldiersOsman the Young passes saying Allah Allah, of ofGenç Osman dediğin bir küçük aslanBağdatın içine girilmez yastan, of ofOf of, her ana doğurmaz böyle bir aslanAllah Allah deyip geçer Genç Osman of ofOsman the Young, you called, is a little lionNo one can enter Baghdad because of mourning (which Osman caused), of ofOf of, not every mother can give birth to such a lionOsman the Young passes saying Allah Allah, of ofBağdat'ın kapısın Genç Osman açtıDüşmanın cümlesi önünden kaçtı of ofOf of, kelle koltuğunda üç gün savaştıAllah Allah deyip geçti Genç Osman of ofOsman the Young opened the gate of BaghdadAll the enemy ran away before him, of ofOf of, he fought three days "(carrying) his head under his arm"*Osman the Young passed saying Allah Allah, of of*(carrying) his head under his arm: fighting without thinking life, going berserkerEgypt in 19th century:Tosun Paşa (1976) comedy movie, subtitledTosun Paşa - YoutubeRusso-Turkish Wars (16-20th century):A good Cossack song with subtitles (By the way this youtube channel is full of military marches of many nations with subtitles, if you are interested.):Kuban Kozak Şarkısı - Kuban Cossack Song : "Там шли два брата" - YoutubeThe good side of this song and of Russians is they don’t complain much about casualities and sufferings. They too know that if you are going to war, there will be sufferings naturally. We just fight with full enjoyment, Turks love that kind of enemies.One quote from Evliya (5th volume):(In 1657 after a battle between Rus/Cossacks and Turks/Tatars in Özü/Очаків) “(Descriptions simplified by me) We took out the captives from prison and shackled them, made them cut off the heads of their fallen comrades in land and water. Then they started to scalp the heads by knives at the meydan of Özü. They were showing each other the heads saying “x Christian’s head” and weeping in tears. They were crying out saying “I wish we were dead like them, instead of being captives.” … We sent the heads, captives and booty to the capital”Next one is from Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878):Tuna Nehri Akmam Diyor - YoutubeTuna Nehri akmam diyorEtrafımı yıkmam diyorŞanı büyük Osman PasaPlevne'den çıkmam diyorDanube River says I won't flowIt says I won't destroy my surroundingsOsman Pasha of great fameSays I won't abandon PlevenOlur mu böyle olur muEvlât babayı vurur muSizi millet hainleriBu dünya size kalır mıIs it possible, is it possible that wayDoes the child* hit the father*You traitors of nationDo you think you'll have this world foreverDüşman Tuna'yı atladıKarakolları yokladıOsman Paşa'nın kolundaBeşbin top birden patladıThe enemy had crossed Danube(The enemy) checked the outpostsOn?from the corps of Osman PashaFive thousand cannons fired at onceKılıcımı vurdum taşaTaş yarıldı baştan başaAskerinle binler yaşaNâmı büyük Osman PaşaI hit my sword on a stoneStone split off from one side to otherLong live with your soldiersOsman Pasha of great name*Child is Bulgaria I guess, while the father is EmpireSpeaking of Bulgarians, I have watched a Bulgarian movie years ago called “Време разделно/Time of Violence (1988)” and it was about “What do people Bulgaria think of Turkification?”:I couldn’t find the full movie on youtube but there was the following conversation which I found interesting:Bulgarian janissary commander: You will convert to Islam, by force if it is necessary.Bulgarian peasant: But you can’t change our feelings, real faith is in our hearts.Bulgarian janissary commander: Don’t worry, in 2 generations your children will be more pious Muslims than the kadı of Mecca.Auspicious Incident (or Code 66 from Star Wars III):In 1826, corrupt Janissary class has been disbanded and members have been hunted. As they are (at least nominally) linked to Bektashi Order, Bektashi dervishes too exiled, ran away, hid or killed, lodges all around the Empire were shut down and/or given to other orders who are more pro-government and mainstream.Star Wars: Execute Order 66 Revenge Of The SithLosing Balkans:From Evliya Çelebi about almost every town in ex-Yugoslavian lands (simplified/generalized):“As this xx land is under the effect of Mars, its people are blood-spilling murderer ghazis. They always carry swords and rifles. All of them speaks Bosnian, Serbian, Latin and Albanian. All of them friendly towards poor and needy.”“Gâyet şecî‘ ve bahâdır gâzîleri vardır. Her sabâh elbette kâfire çeteye ve poturaya giderler ve kâfir de her zamân anlara gelüp ceng-i azîmler edüp baş alup baş verir ve bir baş kâfire varır gâzîleri vardır, ammâ ekserî yayanlardır.”“They have very brave and heroic ghazis. Every morning they go to cheta, and heathens come to them all the time. They make great battles, take and give heads, sometimes all alone, but most of them are on foot.”My mother had a neighbor lady whose ancestors were Magyar Muslims. After we lost the land to Christians, Muslims who didn’t convert to Christianity or have not been killed, became muhajeers. They went to the next Turkish land, maybe first to Serbia, then most probably to Macedonia an at the end to the ultimate terminus, İstanbul. But instead of telling sad stories, we Turks enjoy old good songs.ÇIKAYIM GİDEYİM URUMELİ’NE (Let me go out to Rumeli)Elveda Rumeli - Çıkayım Gideyim - YoutubeMAVROVA’DAN ALDIM SÜMBÜL (I bought hyacinth from Mavrova) - MacedoniaRumeli Türküleri - Mavrova'dan Aldım Sümbül - YoutubeDRAMA KÖPRÜSÜ (Drama Bridge) - GreeceDrama Köprüsü Bre Hasan - YoutubeMANASTIRIN ORTASINDA/DİMETOKA KIZLARI (In the middle of Manastır/Bitola or Girls of Dimetoka) – Macedonia/GreeceThe Ladies of Didymoteicho / Manastır'ın Ortasında - YoutubeBİR FIRTINA TUTTU BİZİ (A storm caught us) - ThessalonicaBir Fırtına Tuttu Bizi (Selanik Türküsü) - YoutubeÇALIN DAVULLARI (Play the drums) - ThessalonicaRumeli Türküleri - Çalın Davulları - YoutubeBÜLBÜLÜM ALTIN KAFESTE (My nightingale in golden cage) - ThessalonicaBülbülüm Altın Kafeste(Selanik Türküsü) - YoutubeVARDAR OVASI (Vardar Plain) – Macedonia/GreeceMayadağ'dan kalkan kazlar - YoutubeBİR EVLER YAPTIRDIM RAMİZE’M (I have houses made, My Ramize) - PrizrenBir Evler Yaptırdım Ramizem - YoutubeGÖÇMEN KIZI (Immigrant girl) – Danube shoresBen bir göçmen kızı gördüm tuna boyunda - YoutubeIn the last 3 songs’ youtube channel and playlist, you can find more than a thousand türküs (folk songs) from all parts of Turkey, Balkans, Caucasia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq, Syria and even Turkistan, with lyrics but not subtitled)Türk-ü means “alla Turca”, opposite of “alla Franca”/Western European style. In the next video, (Beethoven Symphony No. 9, 4th movement) you can listen “thesis/West” (7:23), “antithesis/Turkish” (11:10) and then “synthesis/which we never had” (14:22):Beethoven Symphony No. 9 - Mvt. 4 - Barenboim/West-Eastern Divan Orchestra - YoutubeFirst World War:HEY ONBEŞLİ Young boys going to war not to return. 15er means the ones who was born in 1315 in Hijri calendar (1897-98 in Gregorian calendar). Subtitled. Check the other videos of “Doğa için Çal/Play for Nature”, they play the best known türküs (folk songs). You can see the names of contributors and their birthplaces.DOĞA İÇİN ÇAL 9 - HEY ONBEŞLİ - YoutubeNext photo is an epigraph, you can see if you enter the main building of Galatasaray High School:Some martyr names from the photo you may have interest:-2 out of 3 brothers Robenson (English ethnicity)Abdurrahman Robenson – died in Caucasus Campaign against RussiansYakub Robenson – died in Sina Desert/Palestine Campaign against British/ArabsAhmed Robenson – fought in East, elected as president of Galatasaray FC for one year (1925)-Agop Elmasyan (Armenian ethnicity) – died in Gallipoli War against British/British Colonies-M. Dikranyan (Armenian ethnicity) – died in Caucasus Campaign against Russians/Armenians“Martyr” concept is a bit different for Turks. It’s not totally religious term. Turks are simple-minded, if you die/fight/work/laugh/cry for their flag, you are equally Turk as Oğuz Kağan. Furthermore, you may be accepted as children of this soil even you fight against us heroically:For ANZACs:For MagyarsEvliya Çelebi have written these in the middle of 17th century, comparing Magyars, Austrians/Germans and Ottomans:“Ammâ kavm-i Macar'ın gerçi devletleri za‘îfdir, ammâ sofra sâhibleridir ve müsâfir katlanırlar ve vilâyetleri ekin biçin vilâyetleri olmak ile ekinci kavmdirler. Ve hakkâ ki bahâdır kavmdirler, Tatar gibi her vilâyete çatal atlar ile seğirdüp beşer onar tüfengleri ve bellerinde kılıçları var. Ve serhadli askerimizden fark olunmaz, eyle esbâb geyüp küheylân at binerler ve pâk gezerler ve pâk yerler ve müsâfire gâyet ri‘âyet ederler ve esîrlerine Nemse gibi işkence etmezler. Ve Osmânlı gibi kılıç çalarlar.”“Although Magyar state is weak, they are generous and hospitable and they are a farmer nation as they have arable lands. And surely, they are a heroic nation, they raid many provinces with their horses, rifles and swords, like Tatars. They are indistinguishable from our frontier soldiers; their clothes are similar, they ride horses, they clean themselves, they eat clean things, they treat their guests well and they never torture prisoners like Austrians/Germans do. And they use swords just like Ottomans.”For a Frank wanderer knight:I couldn’t find reliable sources so no link, but according to the story, while Alp Arslan was besieging Ani Castle, a Frank knight who came to Anatolia for fame, single-handedly destroyed a trebuchet and killed many soldiers. Alp Arslan sent a message to the city, to meet him in person and to give gifts, but Armenians didn’t send him out as it can be a treachery of Turks. And also, they didn’t accept surrender. So, there is no Ani today.Gallipoli WarMost known türkü:Çanakkale içinde Vurdular Beni - YoutubeÇanakkale içinde aynalı çarşı,Ana ben gidiyom düşmana karşı,Off, gençliğim eyvah!Mirrored market place in ÇanakkaleMama I'm going against the enemyOff, alas my youthÇanakkale içinde bir uzun selviKimimiz nişanlı, kimimiz evli,Off, gençliğim eyvah!A long cypress in ÇanakkaleSome of us engaged, some marriedOff, alas my youthÇanakkale içinde bir kırık testiAnalar babalar ümidi kesti,Off, gençliğim eyvah!A broke jug in ÇanakkaleParents lost the hopeOff, alas my youthÇanakkale üstünü duman bürüdüOn üçüncü fırka harbe yürüdü,Off, gençliğim eyvah!A smoke covered Çanakkale skies13th division marched to battleOff, alas my youthÇanakkale içinde vurdular beniÖlmeden mezara koydular beni,Off, gençliğim eyvah!They shot me in ÇanakkaleThey put me in a grave before I dieOff, alas my youthThis song reminds me the videoclip of “One” from Metallica:Metallica - One - YoutubeAlso, you can watch a movie by Mel Gibson “Gallipoli”Gallipoli (1981), Mel Gibson & Mark Lee - YoutubeYemen War (Which my mother’s father’s uncle died) South Arabia during World War I and Arab Revolt“Doğa İçin Çal” team again, subtitledDOĞA İÇİN ÇAL 7 - HAVADA BULUT YOK (YEMEN TÜRKÜSÜ) - YoutubeCaucasus Campaign (Which my mother’s father’s father died)“Laleler” song from Rashid Behbudov, great singer from Azerbaijan of U.S.S.R.. Small info, “lale” means tulip in Turkey, but poppy in Azerbaijan. Poppy is “Gelincik” in Turkey which means little bride as it is red (traditional colour of brides). It is said that this song is for Turkish soldiers in Caucasus Campaign, as red poppies symbolizes soldiers with fez, which suffering Baku people are waiting for. True or not, it is a lovely song. Anyway, Azerbaijan is well ahead of Turkey in musical terms. It’s my first try of translation from Azerbaijan Turkish, sorry for mistakes.LALELER - YoutubeYazın evvelinde Gence çölündeÇıxıblar yene de dize lalelerYağışdan ıslanan yarpaqlarınıSeribler dereye düze lalelerBefore the summer, at the wilds of GencePoppies got longer again to the kneeLeaves wet because of rainThey fall? on creeks and meadows, poppiesLaleler lalelerPoppies PoppiesXeyalimdan neler gelib ne keçerYaz geler ellere durnalar köçerBulaqlar simovar ağ daşdan çekerBenzeyir çemende köze lalelerMany things come and go in my mindSummer comes to the land, cranes migrateSprings gush out of ? ?white stonesPoppies look like fire on grassLaleler lalelerPoppies PoppiesMeylim üzündeki qara xaldadırHicranın elacı ilk vusaldadırNe vaxtidir Reşid’in gözü yoldadırBir qonaq gelesiz bize lalelerI admire the black beauty spot on your faceThe cure for sorrow is the first reunionFor a long time, the eyes of Reşid (Baku people) are on the roadPoppies, come be our guestsStarting from Balkan Wars, all my family members left their land. Mother side came to Istanbul. Father side came to a village called “Xaruk”, Pazarköy, Bursa back then (now Ortaköy, Orhangazi, Bursa) which Armenians left. In 1930s some Armenians visited the village, if you are one of their descendants, welcome, be my guest. Maybe we can find together the treasure buried in our gardens, which local seer saw in her vision (3 jars of gold and a horn full of valuable stones buried between mulberry trees). Although I didn’t visit my ancestors’ land in Western Thrace yet, even it’s just 2-3 hours away from my home. And I drive 1 hour to go to work in Istanbul traffic everyday. Like Nazım Hikmet said in his poem, “Memleket mi, yıldızlar mı, gençliğim mi daha uzak?”/”Is homeland or stars or my youth more distant?”. Sung by Zülfü Livaneli:Zülfü Livaneli - Karlı Kayın Ormanı - YoutubeYou can check Sevan Nişanyan’s (Turkish linguist of Armenian ethnicity) “Index Anatolicus” map and see what is the name of your settlements back then and now, and who were living in then and now.https://nisanyanmap.com/Also, Sevan Nişanyan’s etymology dictionary is most useful for language learners.https://www.nisanyansozluk.com/AFTERMATHKurtuluş Savaşı (Turkish Independence War) (Which my father’s father’s father fought)Vurun Kahpeye/Hit the fickle (1973), story written by Halide Edib Adıvar (1884-1964)Vurun Kahpeye (1973) - Hale Soygazi & Tugay Toksöz & Tanju Gürsu - YoutubeİZMİR’İN DAĞLARINDA ÇİÇEKLER AÇAR (Flowers blossom at the mountains of İzmir)T.S.K. Armoni Mızıkası - İzmir Marşı - Youtubeİzmir'in dağlarında çiçekler açar.Altın güneş orda sırmalar saçar.Bozulmuş düşmanlar yel gibi kaçar.Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa, yaşaAdın yazılacak mücevher taşa.Flowers blossom at the mountains of İzmirGolden sun beams laces thereBroken enemies run like the windLong live Mustafa Kemal Pasha, long liveYour name will be carved on precious stoneİzmir'in dağlarında oturdum kaldımŞehit olanları deftere yazdım.Öksüz yavruları bağrıma bastımKader böyle imiş ey garip anaKanım feda olsun güzel vatana.I sat and stayed at the mountains of İzmirI wrote the martyrs to a bookI enfolded orphan children in my bosomThat is the fate, o poor motherLet my blood be a sacrifice for beautiful homelandPeygamber ocağı, şehitler yeriÇalınır borular haydi ileriBozuldu çadırlar, kalmayın geriYaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa, yaşaAdın yazılacak mücevher taşa.Hearth of Prophet, place of martyrsBugles blowed, forwardTents dismantled, don't stay behindLong live Mustafa Kemal Pasha, long liveYour name will be carved on precious stoneTürk oğluyum ben ölmek isterim.Toprak diken olsa yatağım yerimAllahından utansın dönenler geriYaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa,yaşaAdın yazılacak mücevher taşa.I'm son of Turk, I want to dieEven the earth is thorny, it is my bedShame on the ones who run away (from war)Long live Mustafa Kemal Pasha, long liveYour name will be carved on precious stoneKorean War (Which my father’s father fought)https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-reputation-of-the-Turkish-soldiers-which-served-in-the-U-N-contingent-during-the-Korean-WarCyprus War (Which my maternal uncle [dayı in Turkish] fought)Ecevit says: “Actually we don’t go the island for war but for peace, and not to bring peace only for Turks but for Greeks too”'Yalnız Türklere Değil Rumlara Da Barış Getireceğiz' izle TRT Arşiv - YoutubeIn the next video, for Turkish side everything is simple (7:12), but for Greeks it is traumatic (10:27), barbarian strikes back.Turkish invasion of Cyprus | A divided Cyprus | This Week | 1974 - YoutubeMass migration of (mostly uneducated) rural people to big cities and European countries:Most of this people live in the crossroads of two totally different worlds; they are harsh capitalists and liberals in outer world of men, but fanatically conservatist in their home. Their lack of education creates problems in two worlds; clashes with urbanized people with city manners outside and with women at home. Generally, less educated Sunni ones became the vote source for AKP, less educated Alevi ones became the vote source for CHP (statistics are for masses, not for individuals). In most cases Turkish voters are just like football team supporters, away from ideologies, including most educated ones.Gelin/Bride (1973)Gelin (1973) - YoutubeTroubles of 60s and 70s (Coup d'états)Vurulmuşum by Ahmed Arif (1927-1991), sung by Fikret Kızılok (1946-2001) (He’s from Galatasaray too). Poem is longer, lyrics below:Fikret Kızılok - Vurulmuşum - YoutubeVurulmuşumDağların kuytuluk bir boğazındaVakitlerden bir sabah namazındaYatarım kanlı, upuzunI've been shotIn a secluded pass in the mountainsAt the time of morning prayersI lie (on the ground) bloody and tallKirvemHallarımı böyle yazRivayet sanılır belkiGül memeler değil bu, domdom kurşunuParamparça ağzımdakiMy kirve*Write down what happened to meMaybe they think it's just a rumorThose are not rosy breasts (of a girl), but domdom* bulletIn my ripped apart mouthVurulmuşumDağların kuytuluk bir boğazındaVurulmuşumDüşüm, gecelerden karaCanım alırlar ecelsizSığdıramam kitaplaraI've been shotIn a secluded pass in the mountainsI've been shotMy dream, darker than nightsThey take my life before its timeI can't fit (this situation) to the (holy) books*Kirve: Starting with the circumcision ceremony, protector of boy, mostly a relative. Important role especially in Eastern Anatolia but known in every part of Turkey*Domdom: A bigger type bullet, mostly used for boarsTURKIFICATION IN 20th AND 21ST CENTURY“Kürt Sorunu/Güneydoğu Sorunu” – Kurdish Problem/Southeast Problem (Some relatives fought)There are many movies and other online stuff you can find about the subject, but there are no “cult” movies widely accepted by all sides yet as the topic is hot.“Güneşi Gördüm (2009)” is a movie from Mahsun Kırmızıgül who is also an actor and singer of Alevi Zaza ethnicity. It’s a good movie because it gives place to critisicm on Kurdish society as well as hardships they have. You can view the movie with the perspective of “Turkification” of locals, which in this case that means “Globalization/Urbanization”. Subtitled.Güneşi Gördüm (2009) - YoutubeAnother one, Nefes (2009), is not a state propaganda movie.In Turkey there is compulsory military service. Until recent years, these conscripts (non-professional draftees) had been sending to even most dangerous outposts regardless as in the movie. And as you can see, these “outposts” were not designed to defend the territory, but only to observe the smugglers. In the movie, at this outpost, there are only three professional soldiers, one captain, one lieutenant and one sergeant. The rest are office employees, a doctor, shop keepers, farmers, simple men. Turkish, Kurdish and other.Links:(subtitled but lower quality)NEFES VATAN SAGOLSUN ENGLISH SUBTITLES - Youtube(Better quality)Nefes - YoutubeNext is a song from metal group Pentagram. One of their members killed by PKK in the East while he was in military service, then they made the song "1000 in the Eastland".Pentagram - 1000 in the Eastland - YoutubeGecenin soğuğunda aklım donuyorHer nasılsa aldatıldık yalanlarıylaManasız bir kavga sonu gelmiyorBeslenir masum insanların kanıylaSaklayarak gerçeği harcadık kardeşliğiŞimdi duana muhtaç doğuda binlercesiCold in the night, my mind freezingWhy do they fool me, how disgracingMeaningless war, no one can leave itWhy do they leave on the people bleedingHiding this truth, we kill the peace manPray for these thousands in the eastlandÖlüp yerle bir olsam geçmez utancıGöz yumulan günahın ağır bedeliKaybolurken neslimin barış inancıCinnetin gürültüsü sardı her yeriSavaşın kör nefreti ihya eder zenginiŞimdi duana muhtaç doğuda binlercesiLie on the ground I'll still be thinkingHow they accept this life in true sinUnreal's the peace, that we still believe inI hear this sound of madness growingFighting with hatred feeds the rich menPray for these thousands in the eastlandYou can also check a movie called “Yangın var (2011)”. You can see different sides of Kurdish Problem. You may get some answers for your question “what about the Turkification in 21st century?” too, in this case for Georgians.Only in Turkish, partly Kurdish and partly Georgian.Yangin Var - YoutubeThis movie has many references to “Selvi Boylum Al Yazmalım (1977)” movie (from “The Red Scarf” written by Cengiz Aytmatov (1928-2008), Kirghiz), the most loved Turkish movie of all times probably.Selvi Boylum Al Yazmalım (1977) - YoutubeFour foreigners (Korean Chaby Han, American Louis, Kenyan JJ, Italian Michele), making videos with the name “3 foreigners 1 Turk” and tries to find who is not Turk among them in the videos. This video is the last one before Michele went to the compulsory military service in Turkish Army. Turkification continues!SORU CEVAP (Michele asker oluyor, TV'de 3Y1T?, Halay ve Roman, Ekincan) : 3Y1T - YoutubeTurks call themselves Ordu-Millet/Army-Nation (Horde and Urdu words coming from Ordu). Military duty belongs to every individual and it is sacred. Turks don’t have a noble class or inherently warrior class. Inheritance is actually a bane on Turkish individuals, because if you can’t at least repeat what your father could, you are worthless in front of masses.When I went to military service, at first, I fell into despair. I was so hopeless about the character types which I despised and their multitude. Then I realized the secret of Turkish Army throughout the history: We always had these types of people not just in my time, but the Ordu takes these people from so different world views, backgrounds, classes, faiths, ethnicities, dialects even languages and makes them “one and simple” to channelize their emotions (which creates regular fights in civil life) into one ideal. This ideal is to fight for the flag nowadays but it was called “kızıl elma/red apple” and “nizam-ı alem/order of the world” in Ottoman times and world domination before. Evliya compiles red apples in 6th volume of his book (simplified):“There are 6 kızıl elmas on earth, in Magyar language they call kızıl elma “kıpona”; Rim Papa of Spain (Rome), Ustolni-Belgrad (Székesfehérvár) of Magyar, Beç (Vienna) of Alaman, Budin (Buda) of Ungurus, Üstürgon (Esztergom) of Middle Magyar and Eğer (Eger) of Erdelistan (Transylvania). We got four of them now."By the way, I finished my military service in Van. Training was in Kastamonu. There I realized that I’m kind of a sharpshooter. My trick was to pray the God before shooting saying “O God, don’t let me down in front of the eyes of my grandfathers and ancestors”.Every man in Turkey who made their military services tell stories about that time. Most famous Turkish comedian Cem Yılmaz (1973-) speaks about that in the next video (all in Turkish, if language learners can understand the jokes, they can count themselves as Turk). He spent 18 months in his military service. He says in the video at 6:00 “They say there is corporal punishment in military service. No, I didn’t see that, I couldn’t, everything was too quick.”.Cem Yılmaz | Bütün Galaksi var - YoutubeOnce, one of my movie producer brothers from Galatasaray were planning to make a movie about LGBT society. One of his interviews, there was a guy talking about that military doesn’t accept LGBT people. He told that “I want to serve my country as a soldier, but they don’t let me”. Before that interview, it would never come to my mind that a LGBT person also has patriotic ideas. After I heard that, I thought “yeah why not?”. By the way, being a LGBT person was a normal thing until almost 20th century. Especially in all Roman lands.ON THE LOVE IN TURKISH WAYWar is over, let’s get back to love.There are several lover couples in eastern literature. One of the most powerful stories is “Ferhat ile Şirin”. The next movie’s story is a bit different than original one. Nazım Hikmet (he’s from Galatasaray too) version, Turkey-U.S.S.R. common production, year 1978. In this version Ferhat digs through the mountains not only for Şirin but also for people. Powerful movie, I didn’t read the book and watched only the movie, but that was enough for me to get the highest score in an exam and special thanks from my communist-oriented literature teacher in high school.Bir Aşk Masalı Ferhat ile Şirin - YoutubeLeyla and Mecnun is the most well-known love story in Arab-Ajam-Turk lands. The important part is that Leyla is the most beautiful woman on Earth for Mecnun (lit.Possessed by demons [in his case “by love”). She and he are actually kind of ugly but they see each other by the eyes of their hearts. This couple is used extensively by Turkish poets to identify their pure love.MECNUN’UM LEYLA’MI GÖRDÜM İzzetî (Ali İzzet Özkan 1902-1981)Erkan Oğur - Mecnunum Leylamı Gördüm - YoutubeMecnun’um Leyla’mı gördümBir kerece baktı geçtiNe sordum nede söylediKaşlarını yıktı geçtiI'm Mecnun, I saw my LeylaShe just looked at me once and moved awayNor I asked, neither she saidShe knit her eyebrows and moved awaySoramadım bir çift sözüAymıydı günmüydü yüzüSandım ki Zühre yıldızıŞavkı beni yaktı geçtiI couldn't ask a couple of wordsWas her face moon or sunI thought she was the Venus starHer light burned me and she moved awayAteşinden duramadımBen bu sırra eremedimSeher vakti göremedimYıldız gibi aktı geçtiI couldn't stand her fireI couldn't reach/reveal that secretI couldn't see at the dawnShe flew like a star and moved awayBilmem hangi burç yıldızıBu dertler yareler biziGamze okun bazı bazıYar sineme çaktı geçtiI don't know which star of zodiac is sheThese troubles make us woundedBy the arrow of her dimple occasionallyLover hit my chest and she moved awayİzzetî der ne hikmet işUyur iken gördüm bir düşZülüflerin kemend etmişYar boynuma taktı geçtiİzzetî says, what is the hidden meaning of all of theseI saw a dream while I was sleepingShe made "lasso" out of her earlocksLover caught me by my neck (with the lasso) then she moved awaySince the beginning Turk men is the “slave” of lover. Lover treats badly, tortures, kills him. Western shrinks may classify this type as “sick love”, but for us this is the real love, the rest is just material interest.A similar approach in a poem from Divânü Lûgâti't-Türk (11th century), striking similarity despite 900 years and thousands km, minus Leyla and Mecnun:Bulnar mini öles közKora mengiz kızıl yüzAndın tomar tükel tuzBulnap yana ol kaçarLanguishing eye catches meBlack beauty spots, red faceAll beauty drips from herShe captures (me), then runs awayAvlap meni koymangızAyık ayıp koymangızAkar közüm uş tengizTeğre yöre kuş uçarDon't leave me after huntingDon't break your promises after tricking meMy eyes weeping like the seaBirds flying around (the sea)Yığlap udu artadımBağrım başın kartadımKaçmış kutuğ irtedimYağmur kipi kan saçarI cried after her and broke downI reopened the wound of my bosomI searched for my long-gone happiness(Now) it's spilling blood like the rainYüknüp manga imlediKözüm yaşın yamladıBağrım başın emlediElkin bolup ol keçerShe leaned down and pointed at meShe wiped away my tearsShe cured the wound of my bosom(Then) she moves away like a guestEVLERİNİN ÖNÜ MERSİNTolga Çandar Evlerinin Önü Mersin - YoutubeEvlerinin önü mersinAh sular içmem kadınım dersin dersinMevlam seni bana versinIn front of their house, myrtleAh I don't drink water ?reversely? (just rhyming)Let the God give you to meAl hançeri kadınım vur ben öleyimAh kapınıza bitanem kul ben olayımTake the dagger my woman, let me dieAh let me be servant/slave at your door (kapıkulu)Evlerinin önü susamAh su bulsamda kadınım çevremi yuğsamAçsam yüzünü baksam dursamIn front of their house, sesameAh I wish I find some water and wash myselfI wish I open your face, look and stand like thatAl hançeri kadınım vur ben öleyimAh kapınıza bitanem kul ben olayımTake the dagger my woman, let me dieAh let me be servant/slave at your doorThe singer Tolga Çandar (1959-) is famous with “Ege türküleri”/Western Anatolian folk songs. Other than universal topic of love, many Ege türküleri is about the stories of “Efe”s/Local Robin Hood-ish bandits of 19th-20th century. No need to say, they fought in the Independence War too. Some samples:KERİMOĞLUTolga Çandar - Kerimoğlu Zeybeği - YoutubeHayd'ülen de hayd'ülenKaradağların sandalı da sandalıVurulmuş da kanıyorKerimoğlunun her yanı da her yanıHayd'ülen de hayd'ülenŞu dağlarda geyik kalmadıOyn'ülen de kör arabım sen oynaSenden başka yiğit kalmadıCome on ladsBoat of Karadağ (Black Mountain) family?groupHe's been shot and bleedingEverypart of KerimoğluCome on ladsThere are no more deers left on those mountainsDance my blind Arap*, danceNo brave-man left other than you (all killed)*Arap means Black Turk. And he’s not humiliating Arap by saying “dance”, because only the leader “efe” can dance alone.You can check next quora questions for Black Turks:https://www.quora.com/Are-there-black-Turkshttps://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-Black-Africans-living-in-TurkeyYörük Ali Efe/Efe Ali the Nomad (1895-1951)Yörük Ali Efe Türküsü (Seslendiren: Tolga ÇANDAR) - YoutubeŞu Dalma'dan geçtin miSoğuk sudan içtin miEfelerin içindeYörük Ali'yi seçtin miHave you passed from that DalmaHave you drank from cold waterAmong "efe"sHave you distinguished Ali the Nomad(CHORUS)Hey gidi*nin efesiEfesi efelerin efesiO efe"Efe" of "efe"sŞu Dalma'nın çeşmesiPek hoş olur içmesiYörük de Ali'yi sorarsanEfelerin seçmesiFountain of that DalmaHow nice to drinkIf you ask about Ali the NomadProminent of "efe"s(CHORUS)Cepkeninin kollarıParıldıyor pullarıYörük de Ali geliyorAçıl Aydın yollarıArms of its jacketShining its sequinsAli the Nomad is comingOpen Aydın roads(CHORUS)*Gidi is actually a strong swear, but probably 99% doesn't know itÇÖKERTMETolga çandar Çökertme - YoutubeÇökertme'den çıktım da Halil'im aman başım selâmet,Bitez de yalısına varmadan Halil'im aman koptu kıyamet.Arkadaşım İbram Çavuş Allah’ına emanet,I left Çökertme my Halil, I'm safeArmageddon started my Halil before I reach Bitez seaside-mansionMy friend Sergeant İbrahim is in the hands of his Allah(CHORUS)Burası da Aspat değil Halil'im aman Bitez yalısı,Ciğerime ateş saldı, telli kurşun yarası.This is not Aspat my Halil aman it's Bitez seaside-mansionWired bullet wound gave fire to my lungGidelim gidelim Halil'im Çökertme'ye varalım,Kolcular gelirse Halil'im nerelere kaçalımTeslim olmayalım Halil'im aman kurşun sıkalım,Let's go, let's go my Halil, let's reach ÇökertmeIf the rangers come my Halil where will we runLet's not surrender my Halil, let's burst fire(CHORUS)Güvertede gezer iken aman kunduram kaydı,Çakır da gözlü Gülsüm'ümü aman Çerkez kaymakam aldı,Kaymakam baskısı canım aman aldı yürüdüMy shoe has slipped while I was roaming on the deckCircassian sub-governor took my Gülsüm with brighty blue eyesOppression of sub-governor have increased so much(CHORUS)Another one from Greek Rembetiko (1983) movie sung by “Manisali” (of Manisa city):Çakıcı, a song for Çakırcalı Mehmet Efe (1872-1911)Rembetiko (from Movie) - Odemis Kavaklari - YoutubeÖdemiş KavaklarıDökülür yapraklarıAman amanBana da Çakıcı derlerYar fidan boylumYakarız konaklarıThe poplars of ÖdemişTheir leaves fallAman amanThey call me Çakıcı (lit.:Hitman)Lover “tall as a sapling”We burn down the mansionsÇakıcı damdan bakıyorMartiniye de fişek takıyorAman amanÇakıcı'nın fişeği/kurşunuYar fidan boylumÇok canları yakıyorÇakıcı is looking from the roofHe's reloading his martini (gun)Aman amanThe bullet of ÇakıcıLover “tall as a sapling”Burns many livesTabakam tütün doluHer yanım fişek doluAman amanBana da Çakıcı derlerMy box filled with tobaccoEvery part of me filled with bulletsAman amanThey call me Çakıcı(ending is missing in the movie)END OF STORYMost loved poet of Turkey in 20th century is Âşık Veysel (1894-1973). Next is his most known poem played and sung by “Doğa İçin Çal” team again:DOĞA İÇİN ÇAL 2 - UZUN İNCE BİR YOLDAYIM - YoutubeUzun ince bir yoldayımGidiyorum gündüz geceBilmiyorum ne haldeyimGidiyorum gündüz geceI'm on a long and narrow roadI'm going day and nightI don't know how I amI'm going day and nightDünyaya geldiğim andaYürüdüm aynı zamandaİki kapılı bir handaGidiyorum gündüz geceAt the moment which I came into the worldI walked at the same timeIn an inn with two doorsI'm going day and nightUykuda dahi yürüyomKalmaya sebep arıyomGidenleri hep görüyomGidiyorum gündüz geceI'm walking even I'm asleepI'm looking for a reason to stayI see the people who go all the timeI'm going day and nightKırkdokuz yıl bu yollardaOvalarda dağlarda çöllerdeDüşmüşüm gurbet ellerdeGidiyorum gündüz geceForty nine years on these roadsOn the plains, mountains, desertsIn foreigner lands which I fellI'm going day and nightDüşünülürse derinceIrak görünür görünceYol bir dakka miktarıncaGidiyorum gündüz geceWhen it's thought deeplyIt seems far away to the eyesThe road is just a minute longI'm going day and nightŞaşar Veysel iş bu haleKah ağlaya kah güleYetişmek için menzileGidiyorum gündüz geceVeysel is surprised by thatSometimes weeping sometimes laughingTo reach the destinationI'm going day and nightAt the entrance of many village graveyards, you can see Yunus Emre’s or other poets’ words. One from my village [Enter a Neanderthal name]/[Enter a Hittite name]/[Enter a Phrygian name]/[Enter a Lydian name]/[Enter a Bithynian name]/[Enter a Greek name]/[Enter a Latin name]/Xarux/Ortaköy:Mal sahibi, mülk sahibi,Hani bunun ilk sahibi?Mal da yalan, mülk de yalan,Var biraz sen de oyalan!Wealth owner, propriety ownerWhere is the first owner?Wealth is a lie, propriety is a lieYou too, go, linger some time!One last piece from Dede Korkut:Şimdi hani dediğim bey erenlerDünya benim diyenlerEcel aldı yer gizlediFani dünya kime kaldıGelimli gidimli dünyaSon ucu ölümlü dünyaWhere are lord(s,) dervishes nowThe ones who say "World is mine"Death took (them) earth concealedMortal world belongs to whom nowWorld with coming and goingWorld with death at the endOne really last one from Kaygusuz again:Kaplu kaplu bağalar, kanatlanmış uçmağaKertenkele derilmiş, diler Kırım geçmeğeKelebek ok yay almış, ava şikâra çıkmışDonuzları korkudur, ayuları kaçmağaTurturtles have taken wings to flyLizard have picked itself up, wishes to pass CrimeaButterfly have taken arrow and bow, going out to huntIt scares boars, makes bears runErgene’nin köprüsü, susuzluktan bunalmışEdirne minaresi, eğilmiş su içmeğeKazaza balta koydum, çevirişin deremezimÇuval çayırda gezer, segirdüben kaçmağaBridge of Ergene have suffocated out of thirstMinaret of Edirne have leaned to drink waterI have put an axe on silk spinning jenny, couldn't handle its turningThe sack roams on the meadow, to run awayAllah’ımın dağında, üç bin balık kışlamışSusuzluktan bunalmış, kanlı ister göçmeğeLeylek koduk doğurmuş, ovada zurna çalarBalık kavağa çıkmış, söğüt dalın biçmeğeAt the mountain of my Allah, 3000 fish have winteredSuffocated out of thirst, their heart wish to migrateStork have given birth to donkey-foal, it plays zurna on the plainsFish have climbed up to poplar, to chop willow branchesKelebek buğday ekmiş, Manisa ovasınaSivrisinek derilmiş, ırgat olup biçmeğeBir sinek bir devenin, çekmiş budun koparmışSalinuban seğirdür, bir yâr ister koçmağaButterfly have sowed wheat, to the plain of ManisaMosquito have picked itself up, to reap as a workerA fly have plucked the leg of a camelIt goes swaying, wants a lover to copulateBir aksacık karınca, kırk batman tuz yüklenmişGâh yorgalar gâh seker, şehre gider satmağaDonuz dügün eylemiş, ayuya kızın vermişMaymun sındı getirmiş, kaftan gömlek biçmeğeA lame ant have been loaded 40 batman of saltSometimes ambles, sometimes hitches, going to the city to sellBoar have made it right, have given its daughter(‘s hand in marriage) to the bearMonkey brought scissors, to sew kaftan shirtDeve hamama girmiş, dana dellallık ederSu sığırı natır olmuş, nöbet ister çıkmağaKaygusuz’un sözleri, Hindistan’ın kozlarıBunca yalan söyledin, girer misin uçmağaCamel entered into hammam, calf is a crier/brokerWater buffalo became a rubber/masseuse, wants shift to go outWords of Kaygusuz, nuts of India (coconut)You told all these lies, (do you think) you will enter to the heaven?We came to the end of story, I hope I didn’t break any hearts while I Turkifying you. In my belief, as Yunus Emre said:Bir kez gönül yıkdunısa bu kılduğun namaz değülYitmiş iki millet dahı elin yüzin yumaz değülIf you broke a heart, your prayers are invalid72 nations (others) are not just filthy heathensPeace be upon you.NOTE: All the links I added here are mostly from google&youtube searches. The websites of the links don’t reflect my political etc. views.NOTE: Wikipedia is a place where you may (or not) find some traces for real knowledge, don’t take Wikipedia too literally for historical purposes, please read real and reliable sources from different point of views, at least 2 sides not just one side. Any sane historian will tell you if you want to learn Turkish history, you have to learn the history of Iran, Russia and Europe and of course vice versa. E.g. I saw an entry about Kerpe/Karpathos islet. The person was saying Turks never coccupied the islet but there was Turkish oppression (how if it is not occupied?) and in 1835 it is taxed by Sultan (why?). Then I directly opened the Wikipedia page and understood the source of problem: Wikipedia gives the history of islet in total 450 words, and 0 words about timeline between 1538-1835. For the 3 centuries, sorry 297 years you have to check other sources Λουλούδι μου, other than your grandma (Kiss her hands for me if she’s alive).NOTE: If you think there are mistakes in translations or info or grammar please send a message. It took several weeks for me to combine the things coming into my mind, as I have little time to spare for it daily.NOTE: Every poet, poem, song, singer, historian etc I gave here known by 92% of Turks (because 8% is less than 4 years old). And acceptance is so high, I mean if a Turk says something bad about Yunus Emre, probably we would expatriate him, his family and all of his teachers.